Assault no. 2

[Montmorency]

Certainly, people should not be doubting what he has said without good reason to do so.

I'll leave it at this:

It is not clear to me that certain posters here know much at all about autism.

Though I do acknowledge that many of those affected by various conditions do not actually have much meta-knowledge about them.

[Fragony]

Got to be one to fully understand it, so I take your word for it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'll leave it at this:

It is not clear to me that certain posters here know much at all about autism.

Though I do acknowledge that many of those affected by various conditions do not actually have much meta-knowledge about them.

There is no reason to assume someone with mild Aspergers Syndrome (which is what Kad is describing) is either lying or a fantasist. Whether or not Kad understands the condition is irrelevant to the charge that he made up onr, or both, of the attacks he suffered in the last six months or so. There's also nothing else to suggest he's in any way disingenuous other than a spurious suggestion that it would DEFINITELY be the first thing he'd post whilst drunk because he MUST tell us right away.

So - cards of the table - the people here who think Kad made this up think he made it up because they believe he's a nasty Neo-Nazi and this is his personally racial revenge fantasy/domination complex/rhetorical lie to support his worldview.

I don't think he's lying because I see his uncharitable view of Arabs and Blacks, which I don't fully agree with, as a reaction to the results of unfettered immigration into Sweden (a problem widely acknowledged outside Scandinavia). I guarantee - if Kad had never met any Blacks or Arabs he would not hold the view he does.

[Ironside]

All the digs at Kad's credibility and his personal life in this thread are a disagrace IMO. I don't shy away from arguing with him when we disagree, but I've never had any reason to dislike him as a person or attack his character.

I'm confident that what he said about himself is genuine because I have shared similar thought processes and experiences of life.

I also think that people here under-appreciate what it is like to live in a community with clear ethnic/cultural divides. At my last job I knew a guy who lived in Pollockshields, the only Muslim-majority area in Glasgow. He lived across the street from where Kriss Donald was abducted by an Asian gang and burned alive purely because he was white. The guy I knew was paranoid and hated Asians and felt there was constant intimidation from them against white residents. Said he had problems with people hanging around his house because he had crossed some of them, and had had other run-ins in the past. I noticed myself living in a Proddy estate in Belfast that you do become aware of every street, what the demographics are etc. People who live in nice areas don't understand that working-class communities can be quite tight and when there are ethnic divides they like to mark their territory, even in this day and age. I've got stories that are a lot less believable than Kad's but they are true.

Certainly, people should not be doubting what he has said without good reason to do so.

The street punks are pretty much universal, whatever they're American, Japanese, Scot or Swede.

Basically, they're macho wannabes. Be dangerous, as long as there's no or low danger to themselves (that's a major difference from those who are really scary). That's a major reason why they're are a crowd. Lot's of talk and bluster compared to what they do. Have a territory, threaten people who challenges that in some way. Strong tribal thinking, through for example gangs, team colours or ethnicity.

It sort of a regression and an attempt on turning the tables for young guys who feel rejected by society. Class and background are major influences.

Same thing by middle and upper class are generally expressed differently.

[Husar]

All the digs at Kad's credibility and his personal life in this thread are a disagrace IMO. I don't shy away from arguing with him when we disagree, but I've never had any reason to dislike him as a person or attack his character.

I'm confident that what he said about himself is genuine because I have shared similar thought processes and experiences of life.

So what's your problem? An inability to read my last post where I said that what he said about his personal life sounds genuine?
Or an inability to see that I may have changed my mind on that issue?

I also think that people here under-appreciate what it is like to live in a community with clear ethnic/cultural divides. At my last job I knew a guy who lived in Pollockshields, the only Muslim-majority area in Glasgow. He lived across the street from where Kriss Donald was abducted by an Asian gang and burned alive purely because he was white. The guy I knew was paranoid and hated Asians and felt there was constant intimidation from them against white residents. Said he had problems with people hanging around his house because he had crossed some of them, and had had other run-ins in the past. I noticed myself living in a Proddy estate in Belfast that you do become aware of every street, what the demographics are etc. People who live in nice areas don't understand that working-class communities can be quite tight and when there are ethnic divides they like to mark their territory, even in this day and age. I've got stories that are a lot less believable than Kad's but they are true.

Oh yes, because we all live in villas in berverly hills and you have to represent the streets here.

Certainly, people should not be doubting what he has said without good reason to do so.

Well, some people think that nothing is beneath scrutiny and that questioning things can indeeed be a healthy exercise in order to find the truth.

There is no reason to assume someone with mild Aspergers Syndrome (which is what Kad is describing) is either lying or a fantasist. Whether or not Kad understands the condition is irrelevant to the charge that he made up onr, or both, of the attacks he suffered in the last six months or so. There's also nothing else to suggest he's in any way disingenuous other than a spurious suggestion that it would DEFINITELY be the first thing he'd post whilst drunk because he MUST tell us right away.

Oh that's a mighty victim card. Noone talked about him making up both attacks, where did you get that from? The whole Aspergers thing came up only after the assumptions were mentioned and the claim didn't look much more believable to me until he posted a more in-depth story that he has since edited out, but that's okay. As with Rhy, you may have missed or ignored the part where I said it sounds believable.

So - cards of the table - the people here who think Kad made this up think he made it up because they believe he's a nasty Neo-Nazi and this is his personally racial revenge fantasy/domination complex/rhetorical lie to support his worldview.

Think/thought, again, that was before he explained himself in more detail, Neo-Nazi is also a bit of an overstatement but I'm sure you like the effect it has.

I don't think he's lying because I see his uncharitable view of Arabs and Blacks, which I don't fully agree with, as a reaction to the results of unfettered immigration into Sweden (a problem widely acknowledged outside Scandinavia). I guarantee - if Kad had never met any Blacks or Arabs he would not hold the view he does.

If he had actually put some thought into this, and you may remember his claims of high intelligence and being a superior go-player compared to the less-intelligent chess-players and blabla, then maybe he could have figured out that not all Africans are gang thugs even in a world that is not as racially pure and segregated as you suggest. But the victim card is definitely strong in you.

You know, what if I happened to be a black muslim German who was proud to be a citizen here until you all told me that I am a stupid inferior thug who does not belong here? Lucky for you it is not the case, but you can't just look at the victim card from one side.

[Fragony]

Sweden just imports the worst of the worst, and expects from it's citizins to be to be figurants in their precious social experiment. I can perfectly understand that a lot of Swedes are pissed of because of just having to just deal with the consequences of a disproportional influx of immigrants from third world and islamic countries. The first are never going to be of any use, the latter don't to Swedish, they want Sweden to change.

[Montmorency]

There is no reason to assume someone with mild Aspergers Syndrome (which is what Kad is describing) is either lying or a fantasist. Whether or not Kad understands the condition is irrelevant to the charge that he made up onr, or both, of the attacks he suffered in the last six months or so. There's also nothing else to suggest he's in any way disingenuous other than a spurious suggestion that it would DEFINITELY be the first thing he'd post whilst drunk because he MUST tell us right away.

So - cards of the table - the people here who think Kad made this up think he made it up because they believe he's a nasty Neo-Nazi and this is his personally racial revenge fantasy/domination complex/rhetorical lie to support his worldview.

I don't think he's lying because I see his uncharitable view of Arabs and Blacks, which I don't fully agree with, as a reaction to the results of unfettered immigration into Sweden (a problem widely acknowledged outside Scandinavia). I guarantee - if Kad had never met any Blacks or Arabs he would not hold the view he does.

I could care less about the street encounter here.

[Papewaio]

6,5/8 aint bad though...

So does that meant Frag checked you out

I'll be here all week with the dad jokes

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I could care less about the street encounter here.

So what are you arguing about?

Also - It's "I couldn't care less". Really sick of people doing that.

[Montmorency]

Also - It's "I couldn't care less". Really sick of people doing that.

1. Americanism over Britishism.

2. Idiomatically-combined non-literality.

You might be interested in taking a look at:

Nunberg, G., Sag, I. A., & Wasow, T. (1994). Idioms. Language, 491-538.

I knew you would fall into this trap.

[Rhyfelwyr]

So what's your problem? An inability to read my last post where I said that what he said about his personal life sounds genuine?
Or an inability to see that I may have changed my mind on that issue?

It wasn't so much you I had in mind, I actually thought your post was meant to be humorous. Some of the attacks by other posters were a bit nastier and that's what I didn't like.

Oh yes, because we all live in villas in berverly hills and you have to represent the streets here.

Yes, you are correct, the natural inference of me raising the issue of ethnic divides in working-class communities must be that I am in fact a gangbanging homie who represents the streets and goes poppin' pigs with ma crew. Grove Street 4 Life homie.

Well, some people think that nothing is beneath scrutiny and that questioning things can indeeed be a healthy exercise in order to find the truth.

That shouldn't extend to questioning the character of fellow posters.

[Husar]

Yes, you are correct, the natural inference of me raising the issue of ethnic divides in working-class communities must be that I am in fact a gangbanging homie who represents the streets and goes poppin' pigs with ma crew. Grove Street 4 Life homie.

Exactly what I said, yes.

That shouldn't extend to questioning the character of fellow posters.

But they're only fellow posters to me if their character isn't questionable.

[Kadagar_AV]

Americanism is just a way of saying "improper language", Monty.

Husar, Sweden is accepting unpleasantly put... Somalis...Gypsies..

As "EVERYONE IS EQUAL" is the political motto of Sweden, we don't look to what type of people we accept. So we fill the country with people from problematic cultures. And the results are starting to show.



As to the attack on me, I just wanted to clarify, that I don't have brass knuckles... I have a Flexi leash (look it up) who in a pinch can WORK AS brass knuckles...

And yes, I feel I need to arm myself up as hard as I can, as I now have been "jumped on" 2 times this year... And one time the year before (I didn't write about that here though as nothing came out of it).

What Rhyf, has written mirrors my own views on as to why, together with Frags.


Oh, and I removed my post from before because those it mattered to had read it, and it really was too personal for me to want up on the internet... I have a saved copy if someone feel they need to read it, and I can PM it then.

Oh and Husar, I still don't like you. That should probably have been the only part I should not have edited out, so I note it again to be completely clear with my thoughts on the subject.

[Husar]

Husar, Sweden is accepting... ...

As "EVERYONE IS EQUAL" is the political motto of Sweden, we don't look to what type of people we accept. So we fill the country with people from problematic cultures. And the results are starting to show.

That may well be true but is not a reaon to stop all immigration or say that their behavior is typical of all Africans.

Oh and Husar, I still don't like you. That should probably have been the only part I should not have edited out, so I note it again to be completely clear with my thoughts on the subject.

That does not surprise me, you may have noticed that I'm not fond of the way you talk to me either. But that won't stop me from appreciating you sharing your personal thoughts. Not everything is either purely black or white in my world and I intend to keep it that way for now.

[Beskar]

On a serious note, really cut back on the racism. It is not cool, and not because my great grandmother was a gypsy either.

I have a Flexi leash (look it up) who in a pinch can WORK AS brass knuckles...

I will never walk my dog the same again.

[Kadagar_AV]

On a serious note, really cut back on the racism. It is not cool, and not because my great grandmother was a gypsy either.


I will never walk my dog the same again.

What racism is it to say that gypsies are a problem?

They are a resistance culture, and do not WANT to be part of the majority culture of the countries they dwell in. In Sweden all they do is beg and commit crime, period. And as we let Romania into EU, it's hard to just kick them out, even though they can only be described as parasitic on society at large.

*Now I talk about the EU-immigrants... The gypsies born in sweden do NOT beg but are seriously over-represented when it comes to crime, we lately publically got a database with all convictions... Of the top 10 family names for over-representation 9-10 were Gyspy names*

Oh, and the leader for the Gypsy organization, who has toured the country to give speaches about how Gypsys are like totally cool and not into theft and drugs, got caught with drugs and stolen possessions when the police raided him... For the second time...

So yeah...

[Beskar]

What racism is it to say that gypsies are a problem?

What you said was:
"Sweden is accepting the dreg and the scum" "Somalis are in Africa seen as we in Europe look at the Gypsies" "Oh... And Gypsies... We don't actually import them, we just let them stay here, beg, commit crimes, yadda yadda"

Is it racism to say Somalians and Gypsies are the dreg and scum?

[Kadagar_AV]

What you said was:
"Sweden is accepting the dreg and the scum" "Somalis are in Africa seen as we in Europe look at the Gypsies" "Oh... And Gypsies... We don't actually import them, we just let them stay here, beg, commit crimes, yadda yadda"

Is it racism to say Somalians and Gypsies are the dreg and scum?

Oh damn, yeah, that was clumsy of me...

I should have written about the cultures of course, not the people... Don't worry, I'll give myself a warning point for that one, so don't bother ;)

Wont repeat it :)

[Brandy Blue]

Not everything is either purely black or white in my world and I intend to keep it that way for now.

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh damn, yeah, that was clumsy of me...

I should have written about the cultures of course, not the people... Don't worry, I'll give myself a warning point for that one, so don't bother ;)

Wont repeat it :)

You suffer from reductionism, my Fa is exactly the same so it must be a Swedish thing.

Here's the bit that's going to hurt - it's the same thought process as on the left, that's served Sweden so poorly. You need nuance in your life. For starters, Somalis are a culture basically suffering from collective PTSD, which means that the asylum seekers (the most damaged) are often just not capable of functioning in any society, let alone one like Sweden.

The Gypsy thing is rather more complex - here they run fairgrounds and aside from ripping you off (it's probably a fiver for three minutes on the teacups) they're not a problem. However, the Gypsy families, really clans, you have in Romania are rather different and I'm going to flat out say it - a lot of them are criminals.

That's not ALL Gypsies, it's just those Gypsies from Romania from those criminal families.

I'd wager the other Gypsies don't like those guys.

[Kadagar_AV]

Oh PVC, I have LOTS of nuance... C'mon, I have been working with kids here for years...

Here is MY main point though:

I. don't. care. WHY. they. are. fugged. up. or. the. cultural. reasons. behind. it.

I just don't want them around ME.

I don't mind us helping gypsies in Romania... I am happily involved in some projects to make Africa better...

That however has NOTHING to do with what people I would like to have around me in my everyday life. So Somalis are fugged up because of PTSD... So

Can we just accept they are fugged up and stop importing them by the tens of thousands a year? Same goes for Gypsies... I understand it is a problematic culture, and I think EU should do more to help them...

BUT DON'T STEAL MY BIKE!!

Get my point?

[Husar]

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

I meant to say that he is not entirely black to me. Whether he hates me or dislikes me and that he has his downsides does not diminish that he is also right sometimes or even funny and therefore I do not judge him as a completely unsympathetic person. That he has a problem with me is unfortunate but ultimately his problem.

As for having immigrant friends, maybe they're neither African nor Arab. I just don't think it's fair to deport all Africans because some of them steal bikes. If the point is to make deportation a punishment for severe crimes or gang activities, then we can talk. But when you just pee on the nuance and say all African immigrants are criminals because I found five who tried to rob me and ask for what is basically racial segregation on a global level, then yeah, it's kinda racist. The problem I have is the broad brush, I do not disagree that there are problematic immigrants. And one shouldn't forget that there are also problematic natives, like the scottish criminals Rhy always describes, where would one deport them if one doesn't want them around?

[Kadagar_AV]

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

Also taught several immigrant kids to A level in math :)

My niece just married a muslim guy, he is awesome.. He doesn't even drink and looks at her with the most loving eyes...


Hey Brandy Blue, nice to have you along...




With this said... I still ABSOLUTELY have a problem with the Swedish immigration... One of the reasons is that I have twice in a year been in physical contact with it.

Oh, and I STILL won't ever make good a computer player, after the second last assault, as I still have neurological problems with my hand after it.

[Hooahguy]

Ok so I have the pleasure of knowing Kadagar_AV in real life, and lemme tell you, accusing him of being racist is just ridiculous. We talk quite often, and if there was even a hint of him being racist we would not be friends in real life.

Anyways, while I do not agree that all immigration should be stopped immediately until the current problems are sorted out, at least in Sweden, but anyone who says that certain populations of immigrants within Sweden are not causing problems they are just blind. I dont think that its 100% the fault of the immigrants nor 100% the fault of the Swedish government failing to find a way to integrate them. And until the Swedish government takes a hard look at who it is admitting into the country, I dont think that the problems will stop.

[Kadagar_AV]

Ok so I have the pleasure of knowing Kadagar_AV in real life, and lemme tell you, accusing him of being racist is just ridiculous. We talk quite often, and if there was even a hint of him being racist we would not be friends in real life.

Anyways, while I do not agree that all immigration should be stopped immediately until the current problems are sorted out, at least in Sweden, but anyone who says that certain populations of immigrants within Sweden are not causing problems they are just blind. I dont think that its 100% the fault of the immigrants nor 100% the fault of the Swedish government failing to find a way to integrate them. And until the Swedish government takes a hard look at who it is admitting into the country, I dont think that the problems will stop.

I work for the party that want to diminish the immigration by 90%

This sounds HORRIBLE in most peoples eyes... But let us remember that the immigration we have had is INSANE...

If we diminish it by 90%, we STILL accept as many people as the EU standard... We just don't excell it by hundreds of %

So the only thing I work for politically is to have the same politics as the surrounding countries.. Because quite frankly, no matter good intentions, a small state like Sweden can't work as welfare office internationally.

[Kadagar_AV]

Wow...

I am really happy with the way this turned out....

Both known and unknown friends jumping in...

I can now rest my head on the pillow in a good state of mind

[Montmorency]

Technically speaking, he is clearly a racist, if we define a racist as someone who believes that there are biological hierarchies of cognitive ability among selected groups of people and that society should be organized according to these hierarchies.

That's textbook racism, in fact, and he's written many posts elaborating on it.

The soundness of his judgments on Swedish immigration policy are not even relevant to the matter, so please stow the misplaced and self-righteous knee-jerk schizodoxia, Hooah. Despite what certain types will tell you, being friendly with a racist does not "make you evil". With that relief granted, you should hopefully be able to remove those blinkers.

[Kadagar_AV]

Technically speaking, he is clearly a racist, if we define a racist as someone who believes that there are biological hierarchies of cognitive ability among selected groups of people and that society should be organized according to these hierarchies.

That's textbook racism, in fact, and he's written many posts elaborating on it.

The soundness of his judgments on Swedish immigration policy are not even relevant to the matter, so please stow the misplaced and self-righteous knee-jerk schizodoxia, Hooah. Despite what certain types will tell you, being friendly with a racist does not "make you evil". With that relief granted, you should hopefully be able to remove those blinkers.

1. Asperger much?

2. You are right that I am a racist to the level of acknowledging that black people will probably still set the world records at running in the foreseeable future...

3. Oh come on.

[Husar]

2. You are right that I am a racist to the level of acknowledging that black people will probably still set the world records at running in the foreseeable future...

Well yeah, if you want to bring that up again, combined with your idea that different races are inherently stupid or clever and stuff like that, you fit the definition nicely.

Racism consists of several different and often related ideologies centered around the concept of race. Modern variants are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

As I said, we may agree that there shouldn't be criminals and maybe we shouldn't let immigrants stay if they are or become criminals, but to blame their behavior on their having a certain skin colour and stuff like that is definitely racist. Your way of "ok, I'll just replace people with culture" in that context just looks like you're trying to avoid breaking the forum rules without actually changing what you are trying to say. Maybe someone will call that an evil accusation but it is how it comes across to me given the way you say it.

[Fragony]

Technically you are right of course, but definitions change in time, language isn't static. What it means before doesn't mean the same anymore.