Assault no. 2

[Husar]

Yes, you are correct, the natural inference of me raising the issue of ethnic divides in working-class communities must be that I am in fact a gangbanging homie who represents the streets and goes poppin' pigs with ma crew. Grove Street 4 Life homie.

Exactly what I said, yes.

That shouldn't extend to questioning the character of fellow posters.

But they're only fellow posters to me if their character isn't questionable.

[Kadagar_AV]

Americanism is just a way of saying "improper language", Monty.

Husar, Sweden is accepting unpleasantly put... Somalis...Gypsies..

As "EVERYONE IS EQUAL" is the political motto of Sweden, we don't look to what type of people we accept. So we fill the country with people from problematic cultures. And the results are starting to show.



As to the attack on me, I just wanted to clarify, that I don't have brass knuckles... I have a Flexi leash (look it up) who in a pinch can WORK AS brass knuckles...

And yes, I feel I need to arm myself up as hard as I can, as I now have been "jumped on" 2 times this year... And one time the year before (I didn't write about that here though as nothing came out of it).

What Rhyf, has written mirrors my own views on as to why, together with Frags.


Oh, and I removed my post from before because those it mattered to had read it, and it really was too personal for me to want up on the internet... I have a saved copy if someone feel they need to read it, and I can PM it then.

Oh and Husar, I still don't like you. That should probably have been the only part I should not have edited out, so I note it again to be completely clear with my thoughts on the subject.

[Husar]

Husar, Sweden is accepting... ...

As "EVERYONE IS EQUAL" is the political motto of Sweden, we don't look to what type of people we accept. So we fill the country with people from problematic cultures. And the results are starting to show.

That may well be true but is not a reaon to stop all immigration or say that their behavior is typical of all Africans.

Oh and Husar, I still don't like you. That should probably have been the only part I should not have edited out, so I note it again to be completely clear with my thoughts on the subject.

That does not surprise me, you may have noticed that I'm not fond of the way you talk to me either. But that won't stop me from appreciating you sharing your personal thoughts. Not everything is either purely black or white in my world and I intend to keep it that way for now.

[Brandy Blue]

Not everything is either purely black or white in my world and I intend to keep it that way for now.

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

[Husar]

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

I meant to say that he is not entirely black to me. Whether he hates me or dislikes me and that he has his downsides does not diminish that he is also right sometimes or even funny and therefore I do not judge him as a completely unsympathetic person. That he has a problem with me is unfortunate but ultimately his problem.

As for having immigrant friends, maybe they're neither African nor Arab. I just don't think it's fair to deport all Africans because some of them steal bikes. If the point is to make deportation a punishment for severe crimes or gang activities, then we can talk. But when you just pee on the nuance and say all African immigrants are criminals because I found five who tried to rob me and ask for what is basically racial segregation on a global level, then yeah, it's kinda racist. The problem I have is the broad brush, I do not disagree that there are problematic immigrants. And one shouldn't forget that there are also problematic natives, like the scottish criminals Rhy always describes, where would one deport them if one doesn't want them around?

[Hooahguy]

Ok so I have the pleasure of knowing Kadagar_AV in real life, and lemme tell you, accusing him of being racist is just ridiculous. We talk quite often, and if there was even a hint of him being racist we would not be friends in real life.

Anyways, while I do not agree that all immigration should be stopped immediately until the current problems are sorted out, at least in Sweden, but anyone who says that certain populations of immigrants within Sweden are not causing problems they are just blind. I dont think that its 100% the fault of the immigrants nor 100% the fault of the Swedish government failing to find a way to integrate them. And until the Swedish government takes a hard look at who it is admitting into the country, I dont think that the problems will stop.

[Kadagar_AV]

Ok so I have the pleasure of knowing Kadagar_AV in real life, and lemme tell you, accusing him of being racist is just ridiculous. We talk quite often, and if there was even a hint of him being racist we would not be friends in real life.

Anyways, while I do not agree that all immigration should be stopped immediately until the current problems are sorted out, at least in Sweden, but anyone who says that certain populations of immigrants within Sweden are not causing problems they are just blind. I dont think that its 100% the fault of the immigrants nor 100% the fault of the Swedish government failing to find a way to integrate them. And until the Swedish government takes a hard look at who it is admitting into the country, I dont think that the problems will stop.

I work for the party that want to diminish the immigration by 90%

This sounds HORRIBLE in most peoples eyes... But let us remember that the immigration we have had is INSANE...

If we diminish it by 90%, we STILL accept as many people as the EU standard... We just don't excell it by hundreds of %

So the only thing I work for politically is to have the same politics as the surrounding countries.. Because quite frankly, no matter good intentions, a small state like Sweden can't work as welfare office internationally.

[Kadagar_AV]

I don't know a whole lot about autism, but I believe autistic people do think in terms of black and white. Thinking in terms of grey is very difficult for them. That may help explain why you and Kadagar don't get along too well. Incompatible thinking. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy. Sometimes people just don't like each other. But sometimes it helps to know why.

BTW, I don't think Kadagar is necessarily the way you think he is. He mentioned that he has immigrant friends. So maybe he isn't so rigidly anti-foreign in his thinking as he appears to be.

Also taught several immigrant kids to A level in math :)

My niece just married a muslim guy, he is awesome.. He doesn't even drink and looks at her with the most loving eyes...


Hey Brandy Blue, nice to have you along...




With this said... I still ABSOLUTELY have a problem with the Swedish immigration... One of the reasons is that I have twice in a year been in physical contact with it.

Oh, and I STILL won't ever make good a computer player, after the second last assault, as I still have neurological problems with my hand after it.

[Gilrandir]

Technically speaking, he is clearly a racist, if we define a racist as someone who believes that there are biological hierarchies of cognitive ability among selected groups of people and that society should be organized according to these hierarchies.

Also taught several immigrant kids to A level in math :)

Compare those and you will see that the bolded isn't true, which kinda excludes Kadagar from the category you place him in. That is if you believe what he has said of kids and maths. So again comes the question of trust .
And Kadagar was explicit enough in his dislike as to any immigrants violently inconveniencing him irrespective of their race. If those were, say, from Norway or Belarus, it wouldn't make him appreciate their bullying. So it is not racism, you may term it anti-immigrationism.

[Husar]

That being against immigration isn't racist in the way the word is used now. It's like putting on your wizard hat and casting the spell racismus when it's just common sense to be against the mass-immigration of useless people that Sweden does at the moment.

The problem is NOT being against immigration problems, but the things he says about those "useless people". Even calling them "useless people" is quite a shady thing to say depending on what you actually mean to say with it.

Compare those and you will see that the bolded isn't true, which kinda excludes Kadagar from the category you place him in. That is if you believe what he has said of kids and maths. So again comes the question of trust .

Immigrants can come from many countries, he might be teaching Finnish and even African immigrant kids and still think that all Africans are inherently stupid, doesn't change a thing. Kadagar started entire topics about the inferior intelligernce of Africans, those don't just disappear either. Just that he taught them really means just that he taught them. IIRC he once even said that the African kids in his classes were all inherently dumber than the white kids or something like that, I'm not going to search for the exact words now.

[Beskar]

On a serious note, really cut back on the racism. It is not cool, and not because my great grandmother was a gypsy either.

I have a Flexi leash (look it up) who in a pinch can WORK AS brass knuckles...

I will never walk my dog the same again.

[Kadagar_AV]

On a serious note, really cut back on the racism. It is not cool, and not because my great grandmother was a gypsy either.


I will never walk my dog the same again.

What racism is it to say that gypsies are a problem?

They are a resistance culture, and do not WANT to be part of the majority culture of the countries they dwell in. In Sweden all they do is beg and commit crime, period. And as we let Romania into EU, it's hard to just kick them out, even though they can only be described as parasitic on society at large.

*Now I talk about the EU-immigrants... The gypsies born in sweden do NOT beg but are seriously over-represented when it comes to crime, we lately publically got a database with all convictions... Of the top 10 family names for over-representation 9-10 were Gyspy names*

Oh, and the leader for the Gypsy organization, who has toured the country to give speaches about how Gypsys are like totally cool and not into theft and drugs, got caught with drugs and stolen possessions when the police raided him... For the second time...

So yeah...

[Beskar]

What racism is it to say that gypsies are a problem?

What you said was:
"Sweden is accepting the dreg and the scum" "Somalis are in Africa seen as we in Europe look at the Gypsies" "Oh... And Gypsies... We don't actually import them, we just let them stay here, beg, commit crimes, yadda yadda"

Is it racism to say Somalians and Gypsies are the dreg and scum?

[Kadagar_AV]

What you said was:
"Sweden is accepting the dreg and the scum" "Somalis are in Africa seen as we in Europe look at the Gypsies" "Oh... And Gypsies... We don't actually import them, we just let them stay here, beg, commit crimes, yadda yadda"

Is it racism to say Somalians and Gypsies are the dreg and scum?

Oh damn, yeah, that was clumsy of me...

I should have written about the cultures of course, not the people... Don't worry, I'll give myself a warning point for that one, so don't bother ;)

Wont repeat it :)

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh damn, yeah, that was clumsy of me...

I should have written about the cultures of course, not the people... Don't worry, I'll give myself a warning point for that one, so don't bother ;)

Wont repeat it :)

You suffer from reductionism, my Fa is exactly the same so it must be a Swedish thing.

Here's the bit that's going to hurt - it's the same thought process as on the left, that's served Sweden so poorly. You need nuance in your life. For starters, Somalis are a culture basically suffering from collective PTSD, which means that the asylum seekers (the most damaged) are often just not capable of functioning in any society, let alone one like Sweden.

The Gypsy thing is rather more complex - here they run fairgrounds and aside from ripping you off (it's probably a fiver for three minutes on the teacups) they're not a problem. However, the Gypsy families, really clans, you have in Romania are rather different and I'm going to flat out say it - a lot of them are criminals.

That's not ALL Gypsies, it's just those Gypsies from Romania from those criminal families.

I'd wager the other Gypsies don't like those guys.