Clarkson gone!

[Husar]

We talked about this the night before I posted that video and you said in sarkeesian's defense to the effect of: "if it is a nazi that says the sky is blue, being a nazi doesnt make him wrong".

Then you pull this.

Again husar you dissapoint me.

It's not that they are friends that makes them wrong, it's that I generally don't buy a lot of the "oh, but we men are also victims"-story.
Even if there is also some merit to it, and in some cases there is, it does not invalidate the point of anyone else, or make feminism superfluous as a whole. The idea that a man is seriously angry about the topic is already grounds for me to take him less seriously. And the equivalent example would be a nazi telling me that the sky is deep purple the entire day. The title "feminism is the establishment" already sets the tone and makes me roll my eyes a little.

Here's a loosely related video on "gender war" that I can mostly agree with:

[Viking]

From one Armenian to another.

[Greyblades]

It's not that they are friends that makes them wrong, it's that I generally don't buy a lot of the "oh, but we men are also victims"-story.

Which is largely the problem, people treat the "oh but we men are also victims" as were nothing more than a bid for attention even when it is a legitimate complaint. Even beyond the general Tumblr idiotry who hates everything white, straight and male, British and American society has become in places tipped against men. There is a trend of trivialisation of female on male rape especially statutory rape of young boys by women. Courts are overwhelmingly favouring women in child custody battles. False rape claims against women are non existant while men are being made pariahs by an overzealous media at the faintest hint of them raping a woman, innocent before proven guilty be damned.

We walk in fear of a random woman brushing us when they pass and shouting "he groped me". We steer clear of areas frequented by chldren in case we are accused of being potential predators. We look at marriage as a trap where one wrong move will get us stripped of all our money belongings and even children at the word of a disgruntled partner. We fear because we are told again and again stories of these things happening and every time it is clear that men cannot truly win, ever. Legitimate or not these fears are real and permiate our day to day lives and colour our thinking.

These are problems that are constantly overlooked and denied by the mainstream regardless of evidence and men are expected to shut up and take it while everyone else is free to complain about problems. Even while we deal with a suicide rate 3 times larger than that of women.

Even if there is also some merit to it, and in some cases there is, it does not invalidate the point of anyone else, or make feminism superfluous as a whole. The idea that a man is seriously angry about the topic is already grounds for me to take him less seriously. And the equivalent example would be a nazi telling me that the sky is deep purple the entire day. The title "feminism is the establishment" already sets the tone and makes me roll my eyes a little.

He is angry, his rhetoric is harsh, abrasive, he uses terminology alien to those unfamiliar to the subject, his personal narritive has devolved into an Us vs Them mentality and he is clearly frustrated. This is common among protestors who are being ignored and trivialized, which you are doing, and history tells us they dont go away with time.

His logic is largely sound and his points are sourced, he is not saying the sky is deep purple, he's saying its overcast in spite of your protestations of a clear sky. If you keep dismissing him, turning off his videos 4 minutes in due to something so petty as swearing, he and his fellows are going to turn to the only people who will listen, the MRA and the actual nazis. Some of them are already beginning to, as you have shown.

Oh, another thing.

I really enjoy the constant flashing of that "Sargon logo" in this video while they talk about improving channels, it's classy and absolutely not irritating at all.

The flashing of the logo is a part of the format he uses. He has several videos where he converses with other people, both on his and the opposing side of his topics, and many of them do not have a video stream. They instead have thier logos show up when they talk and it is supposed to let the watcher differentiate between voices that are not distinct.

[Husar]

Which is largely the problem, people treat the "oh but we men are also victims" as were nothing more than a bid for attention even when it is a legitimate complaint. Even beyond the general Tumblr idiotry who hates everything white, straight and male, British and American society has become in places tipped against men. There is a trend of trivialisation of female on male rape especially statutory rape of young boys by women. Courts are overwhelmingly favouring women in child custody battles. False rape claims against women are non existant while men are being made pariahs by an overzealous media at the faintest hint of them raping a woman, innocent before proven guilty be damned.

Yeah, that's a general problem, not one that only men who are accused of rape have. Remember how that American girl who was accused of murder in Italy was guilty for almost everyone because of her "cold eyes"? The courts haven't found sufficient evidence and people largely still consider her guilty, what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" in that case? The reverse where people assume that a woman is making up a rape charge because they like the guy or dislike the woman also happens quite often.

We walk in fear of a random woman brushing us when they pass and shouting "he groped me". We steer clear of areas frequented by chldren in case we are accused of being potential predators. We look at marriage as a trap where one wrong move will get us stripped of all our money belongings and even children at the word of a disgruntled partner. We fear because we are told again and again stories of these things happening and every time it is clear that men cannot truly win, ever. Legitimate or not these fears are real and permiate our day to day lives and colour our thinking.

And we also can't sleep our way up in companies as often as women can, the world is really unfair.
Have you ever heard stories of women actually being sexually assaulted, groped, have men beat them at home etc.?
I'm pretty sure these problems for women are quite numerous while you can probably count the incidents where a woman shouts "he groped me" for no good reason on one hand. Maybe the reason it colours your thinking is in your own head. I've accidentally touched plenty of women in areas one might consider inappropriate while dancing or moving about and not once have I been accused of anything. I also live next to a kindergarten and not once has anyone sent the police here.

These are problems that are constantly overlooked and denied by the mainstream regardless of evidence and men are expected to shut up and take it while everyone else is free to complain about problems. Even while we deal with a suicide rate 3 times larger than that of women.

The problem is that the men often come across as though they think they actually have more or bigger problems than the women do, which is simply not the case. Of course there are some injustices against men

He is angry, his rhetoric is harsh, abrasive, he uses terminology alien to those unfamiliar to the subject, his personal narritive has devolved into an Us vs Them mentality and he is clearly frustrated. This is common among protestors who are being ignored and trivialized, which you are doing, and history tells us they dont go away with time.

And Osama protested in the streets but became sad when America didn't listen, I assume that makes his little outbursts okay.
Oh I know, can't compare that, because words ain't bombs, but it's still just a lazy excuse. There are plenty of people who go through hardships or aren't heard and don't turn into bitter, angry people. I also like how I contribute to the problem now.

His logic is largely sound and his points are sourced, he is not saying the sky is deep purple, he's saying its overcast in spite of your protestations of a clear sky. If you keep dismissing him, turning off his videos 4 minutes in due to something so petty as swearing, he and his fellows are going to turn to the only people who will listen, the MRA and the actual nazis. Some of them are already beginning to, as you have shown.

Wait, what? I don't think Aurini is a nazi, I've just actually listened to some of his thoughts and think he is a complete fool who tries to be a cool philosopher. If you're rating him simply on the way he looks then you shouldn't blame me for watching only 4 minutes in which I didn't just dislike the swearwords but the entire tone of the message and the incredibly annoying and distracting popups of his stupid logo that he uses because he is too afraid to show his face while he has apparently no problem with showing pictures of the people he derides and discredits in his videos.

The flashing of the logo is a part of the format he uses. He has several videos where he converses with other people, both on his and the opposing side of his topics, and many of them do not have a video stream. They instead have thier logos show up when they talk and it is supposed to let the watcher differentiate between voices that are not distinct.

Maybe, in the Aurini interview it seems to flash up every time he breathes out, as though it's automatically linked to his microphone input. That he does not realize how annoying, distracting and silly this "format" is in the respective video does not make him look like a great thinker to me, it's part of the overall impression.

[Greyblades]

Yeah, that's a general problem, not one that only men who are accused of rape have. Remember how that American girl who was accused of murder in Italy was guilty for almost everyone because of her "cold eyes"? The courts haven't found sufficient evidence and people largely still consider her guilty, what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" in that case? The reverse where people assume that a woman is making up a rape charge because they like the guy or dislike the woman also happens quite often.

I did not say that women do not have these problems, I am saying that when men complain about these problems they get ignored and frequently derided.

And we also can't sleep our way up in companies as often as women can, the world is really unfair.
Have you ever heard stories of women actually being sexually assaulted, groped, have men beat them at home etc.?
I'm pretty sure these problems for women are quite numerous while you can probably count the incidents where a woman shouts "he groped me" for no good reason on one hand. Maybe the reason it colours your thinking is in your own head. I've accidentally touched plenty of women in areas one might consider inappropriate while dancing or moving about and not once have I been accused of anything. I also live next to a kindergarten and not once has anyone sent the police here.

The problem is that the men often come across as though they think they actually have more or bigger problems than the women do, which is simply not the case. Of course there are some injustices against men

The weight of the problems I described isn't the number, it is the severity of the result and the fact that there is no defense. What do you do if you get that 1 in a million insane person who falsely cries rape? With one word and a headline your life comes crashing down around you.
Then comes the issue of divorce and custody where women are highly favoured, one session in court and we are stripped of all our money, belongings and even children. But when we express any worry about these things it is always responded with "someone else has it worse" which soothes our fears as well as "women might have a 1 in 4 chance of getting raped but there are starving kids in africa" soothes the fears of women.

And Osama protested in the streets but became sad when America didn't listen, I assume that makes his little outbursts okay.
Oh I know, can't compare that, because words ain't bombs, but it's still just a lazy excuse. There are plenty of people who go through hardships or aren't heard and don't turn into bitter, angry people. I also like how I contribute to the problem now.

Why is it whenever I explain causation people assume I condone the outcome? Of course its not ok, but it is absurd to say the USA had nothing to do with the man he became. Extremism rarely starts out extreme, France, Russia and China all saw legitimate discontent exacerbated by a percieved ridicule and denial of relevance by the opposition. Real or not that ridicule and denial repeatedly pushed these historical resistance movments further and further into extremism and I am saying it will here.

I'm saying be the better man. Exhibit the lesson I am slowly trying to learn and understand you arent going to gain any converts by answering legitimate complaints through pointing at the craziest members and saying the entire group is like that, you're just going to reinforce their convictions and drive them further into the fringe.

Wait, what? I don't think Aurini is a nazi, I've just actually listened to some of his thoughts and think he is a complete fool who tries to be a cool philosopher. If you're rating him simply on the way he looks then you shouldn't blame me for watching only 4 minutes in which I didn't just dislike the swearwords but the entire tone of the message and the incredibly annoying and distracting popups of his stupid logo that he uses because he is too afraid to show his face while he has apparently no problem with showing pictures of the people he derides and discredits in his videos.


Maybe, in the Aurini interview it seems to flash up every time he breathes out, as though it's automatically linked to his microphone input. That he does not realize how annoying, distracting and silly this "format" is in the respective video does not make him look like a great thinker to me, it's part of the overall impression.

Implying you think he is a nazi was not my intention, it is my impression that the man is slowly pushing his way further towards the political right.

Sargon of Akkad is has the air of the preacher who aims his diatribe at the choir. My impression is that his videos are made less to combat his opponants but to reinforce his side's convictions and this is depressingly common among... well... everything. As you have shown no matter how much truth he might say it will not be heard by anyone who dont already share his opinion.
And yes it has occured to me that the reason I listen to him is because he says what I want to hear: "yeah, you're right, these people say that because I like games I am a horrible sexist, they are indeed full of crap" went through my mind a couple of times.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The manspreading issue wouldn't even exist if the transit authority simply expanded the capacity of their service. But then that would require taxes and proper funding.

Most tax-cutting Republicans are white males, so this policy is not feminism in action but rather blowback from dumb men.

[Husar]

I did not say that women do not have these problems, I am saying that when men complain about these problems they get ignored and frequently derided.
The weight of the problems I described isn't the number, it is the severity of the result and the fact that there is no defense. What do you do if you get that 1 in a million insane person who falsely cries rape? With one word and a headline your life comes crashing down around you.
Then comes the issue of divorce and custody where women are highly favoured, one session in court and we are stripped of all our money, belongings and even children. But when we express any worry about these things it is always responded with "someone else has it worse" which soothes our fears as well as "women might have a 1 in 4 chance of getting raped but there are starving kids in africa" soothes the fears of women.

Why is it whenever I explain causation people assume I condone the outcome?

Maybe because you posted his video (the outcome) here as your argument?

Of course its not ok, but it is absurd to say the USA had nothing to do with the man he became. Extremism rarely starts out extreme, France, Russia and China all saw legitimate discontent exacerbated by a percieved ridicule and denial of relevance by the opposition. Real or not that ridicule and denial repeatedly pushed these historical resistance movments further and further into extremism and I am saying it will here.

Maybe, but just because our secularism may push islamists further into extremism we do not just introduce shariah law. Yes, there are legitimate issues where men draw the short stick, but there are the same for women. If you think the extremism of men is understandable then xsurely you also find the attitude of feminazis understandable because all your arguments apply to them in the same way. My opinion is simply that both extremes are wrong.

I'm saying be the better man. Exhibit the lesson I am slowly trying to learn and understand you arent going to gain any converts by answering legitimate complaints through pointing at the craziest members and saying the entire group is like that, you're just going to reinforce their convictions and drive them further into the fringe.

I didn't say an entire group is like that, you posted a video of a crazy member and I said he's crazy, what did you expect?
Don't you realize that by posting the videos of the craziest members you're pushing me further into the feminist fringe?

Sargon of Akkad is has the air of the preacher who aims his diatribe at the choir. My impression is that his videos are made less to combat his opponants but to reinforce his side's convictions and this is depressingly common among... well... everything. As you have shown no matter how much truth he might say it will not be heard by anyone who dont already share his opinion.

So he basically lacks the means and the will to reach out to the other side, not a positive trait.

And yes it has occured to me that the reason I listen to him is because he says what I want to hear: "yeah, you're right, these people say that because I like games I am a horrible sexist, they are indeed full of crap" went through my mind a couple of times.

That's not exactly the argument though, the argument is more that video games contain sexist things to attract more people and then may make this sexism seem more normal for these people. Or at least that's the more sane part of the argument that has some merit to it.

[Greyblades]

Maybe because you posted his video (the outcome) here as your argument?

I find it somewhat disturbing that a higly educated German believes that a mere series of self confirming commentary videos is the final outcome of this mode of thought.

Maybe, but just because our secularism may push islamists further into extremism we do not just introduce shariah law. Yes, there are legitimate issues where men draw the short stick, but there are the same for women. If you think the extremism of men is understandable then surely you also find the attitude of feminazis understandable because all your arguments apply to them in the same way. My opinion is simply that both extremes are wrong.

I would think you would be sympathetic to islamists, with all the bitching you do about how british imperialism causing all thier problems.

I didn't say an entire group is like that, you posted a video of a crazy member and I said he's crazy, what did you expect?
Don't you realize that by posting the videos of the craziest members you're pushing me further into the feminist fringe?

No, if I responded in such a manner that makes my opponant think I only attack the points I know I could win in while ignored those I cannot, while insulting my opponants language and calling his influences crazy, that would put cement upon your beliefs and push you to look for people who will actually listen to what you have to say.
Considering that it is increasingly evident that the only people who will provide that willing ear are the sort of people that you have been recieving a guilt trip about since 1945, I would think you would be a bit more concerned where these people are going.

So he basically lacks the means and the will to reach out to the other side, not a positive trait.

One shared by the entire board and most of humanity.

That's not exactly the argument though, the argument is more that video games contain sexist things to attract more people and then may make this sexism seem more normal for these people. Or at least that's the more sane part of the argument that has some merit to it.

It would have merit if they didnt shoot whatever credibility they had in the foot by exhibiting a blatant ignorance of the gaming scene. A fault further exacerbated by cherrypicking content so blatantly that even I, ignorant, young and gullible as I am, could call BS upon first watching without it being explained to me.

[Husar]

I find it somewhat disturbing that a higly educated German believes that a mere series of self confirming commentary videos is the final outcome of this mode of thought.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here but maybe that's because I don't have the time to watch all of these videos.

I would think you would be sympathetic to islamists, with all the bitching you do about how british imperialism causing all thier problems.

I find it somewhat disturbing that a highly educated Englander believes that a mere series of self confirming comments is the final outcome of this mode of thought.

No, if I responded in such a manner that makes my opponant think I only attack the points I know I could win in while ignored those I cannot, while insulting my opponants language and calling his influences crazy, that would put cement upon your beliefs and push you to look for people who will actually listen to what you have to say.
Considering that it is increasingly evident that the only people who will provide that willing ear are the sort of people that you have been recieving a guilt trip about since 1945, I would think you would be a bit more concerned where these people are going.

Who are you to tell me what would cement my opinions?
And I'm not very worried about a few men joining the nazis to fight female oppression because a buddy of their uncle's best friend told their niece a story about the friend of their buddies' grandmothers' uncle that he heard from the wife of his priest about how a woman once screamed she was groped when the friend of her aunt's baby's father once walked casually through the city.
By the same type of argument our justice system also works purely in favor of criminals.

One shared by the entire board and most of humanity.

That might be why we have all these problems in the first place.
And how does that lead you to expect me to understand the guy in the first place?

It would have merit if they didnt shoot whatever credibility they had in the foot by exhibiting a blatant ignorance of the gaming scene. A fault further exacerbated by cherrypicking content so blatantly that even I, ignorant, young and gullible as I am, could call BS upon first watching without it being explained to me.

How does that not apply to a lot of the commentary you get about feminism? They cherry-pick a few "feminazis" and extrapolate that to feminism as a whole, claiming that men suffer oh so much as well and are really the ones who can't do anything anymore. When you say men just have to take it nowadays I can only roll my eyes. The only chance for you to be right is if this is a purely british problem but then you can hardly expect me to have made the same experiences since I do not live in Britain. every time you claim that men "have to be" afraid of this or that I can think of a few things that women "have to be" afraid of, which are in many cases actually more likely to happen to them and therefore might just take precedence in terms of what we should deal with first/faster as a society.

[Ironside]

It would have merit if they didnt shoot whatever credibility they had in the foot by exhibiting a blatant ignorance of the gaming scene. A fault further exacerbated by cherrypicking content so blatantly that even I, ignorant, young and gullible as I am, could call BS upon first watching without it being explained to me.

Now I'm curious. Is this what you call cherrypicking, taking examples that contain the thing in question, rather than making a random sample? Because taking the two examples in history isn't a trend, taking 30 AAA titles from the last 10 years is showing a trend on the other hand.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's not that they are friends that makes them wrong, it's that I generally don't buy a lot of the "oh, but we men are also victims"-story.
Even if there is also some merit to it, and in some cases there is, it does not invalidate the point of anyone else, or make feminism superfluous as a whole. The idea that a man is seriously angry about the topic is already grounds for me to take him less seriously. And the equivalent example would be a nazi telling me that the sky is deep purple the entire day. The title "feminism is the establishment" already sets the tone and makes me roll my eyes a little.

Here's a loosely related video on "gender war" that I can mostly agree with:

Invalid, that level of manspreading is the result of too-tight jeans or non-cotton underwear, both of which are themselves unmanly.

Having said that, crushed bollocks are not a matter of "comfort".