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I'm not entirely sure what you mean here but maybe that's because I don't have the time to watch all of these videos.

I mean producing these videos are at the start not the end of radicalization.

I find it somewhat disturbing that a highly educated Englander believes that a mere series of self confirming comments is the final outcome of this mode of thought.

Not even sure what you mean here.

Who are you to tell me what would cement my opinions?

I am a human beaing. I work under the assume that human beings have similar reaction to the same stimuli. The result of the stimuli you exposed me to was to devalue what doubt had formed in my mind of the correctness of my position. Thus I assume the same thing would happen to you. Do you need any more?

And I'm not very worried about a few men joining the nazis to fight female oppression because a buddy of their uncle's best friend told their niece a story about the friend of their buddies' grandmothers' uncle that he heard from the wife of his priest about how a woman once screamed she was groped when the friend of her aunt's baby's father once walked casually through the city.

You might not be worried but your government is. Golden Dawn. BNP. The National Front. Ukip These far right nationalistic groups are growing in numbers by the day and they do not grow on thier own. They grow by recruiting those who are disillusioned, dissaffected, ignorant and scared.

Now, I assume as a german you are well versed in what happens when these movments gets too much power, correct? It seems that it would be in your best interests to counter act these. So what do you do?
Do you endeavour to reassure those with doubts?
Do you attempt to teach, disprove the misconceptions that they hold?
Do you even try to assure them that thier fears are unfounded?

No.

As I said you responded in such a manner that makes your opponant think you ignore their points because you dont want to admit they are right.
You dismiss the sources of thier distress as crazy or irrelevant while giving the impression that you have no idea what you are talking about.

These people believe they are being oppressed and responses like yours does nothing but confirm thier beliefs.

Oh and before you say something along the lines of "It's not my job to baby them" if you are not willing to do something that might actually make things better in the long run, please refrain from doing things to make it worse.

By the same type of argument our justice system also works purely in favor of criminals.

Gonna have to explain that one

That might be why we have all these problems in the first place.
And how does that lead you to expect me to understand the guy in the first place?

It doesnt. It leads me to realize that if I react to them as you react to me I never will. So I endeavour to do better in the future. I can only hope I can persuade others to do the same.

How does that not apply to a lot of the commentary you get about feminism? They cherry-pick a few "feminazis" and extrapolate that to feminism as a whole, claiming that men suffer oh so much as well and are really the ones who can't do anything anymore.

Yeah, if you havent noticed I had been having doubts about the femenism thing since post 38. Since then my posts have been about how counterproductive your efforts to persuade me are.

When you say men just have to take it nowadays I can only roll my eyes. The only chance for you to be right is if this is a purely british problem but then you can hardly expect me to have made the same experiences since I do not live in Britain. every time you claim that men "have to be" afraid of this or that I can think of a few things that women "have to be" afraid of, which are in many cases actually more likely to happen to them and therefore might just take precedence in terms of what we should deal with first/faster as a society.

I didnt say "have to be", I said "are". Yes, look at the numbers and much of the fears of society come up as extremely unlikely, but unlike women a man who expresses thier fears in public gets variations on your reaction. I tell you, right now, it's not going to persuade any of them that thier fears and insecurities are unfounded.

Nor is the current trend on the internet to respond to any complaints with crap like this. But I have greater hope of changing the public and intellectual response to men's complaints than the GIFT one.

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Obviously, you people don't want to indulge my sudden exploration of Marxism by constructing this scenario as class warfare... go ahead with your lame gender warfare.

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I mean producing these videos are at the start not the end of radicalization.

Not even sure what you mean here.

Neither was I. You need to relax a little.

I am a human beaing. I work under the assume that human beings have similar reaction to the same stimuli. The result of the stimuli you exposed me to was to devalue what doubt had formed in my mind of the correctness of my position. Thus I assume the same thing would happen to you. Do you need any more?

I can assure you that the reactions to similar stimuli can vary a lot because the current state of mind is also influenced by all previous stimuli. So unless all previous stimuli led to a similar state of mind, reactions can vary a whole lot.

These people believe they are being oppressed and responses like yours does nothing but confirm thier beliefs.

I'm responding to you here, not him, unless you're saying that you're about to join the BNP if I make fun of Sargon, I think we are relatively safe for now.

Oh and before you say something along the lines of "It's not my job to baby them" if you are not willing to do something that might actually make things better in the long run, please refrain from doing things to make it worse.

So we should stop making videos that call feminists crazy because it might make the extreme feminists more radical?

Gonna have to explain that one

Plenty of people are afraid that if they ever need to defend themselves from a criminal, the criminal is going to be declared the victim in court while they will be punished.

It doesnt. It leads me to realize that if I react to them as you react to me I never will. So I endeavour to do better in the future. I can only hope I can persuade others to do the same.

You could try to persuade the video guy to stop radicalizing feminists with his aggressive videos.

Yeah, if you havent noticed I had been having doubts about the femenism thing since post 38. Since then my posts have been about how counterproductive your efforts to persuade me are.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "feminism thing", I thought you had doubts about feminism since quite a while, or does "feminism thing" refer to the things Sargon of Akkad says about feminism in his videos? In the latter case I would have really missed it, in the former case I'm not sure what I would have missed since we're arguing about that the entire time.

I didnt say "have to be", I said "are". Yes, look at the numbers and much of the fears of society come up as extremely unlikely, but unlike women a man who expresses thier fears in public gets variations on your reaction. I tell you, right now, it's not going to persuade any of them that thier fears and insecurities are unfounded.

Again, I'm not arguing with "them" right now unless we are actually talking about you.

Nor is the current trend on the internet to respond to any complaints with crap like this. But I have greater hope of changing the public and intellectual response to men's complaints than the GIFT one.

I would consider myself largely as cisgender if it means what I just looked up and it has to be a very special subculture where such things are posted. You will always have very special subcultures though. I don't think we can get rid of nazis and islamists by being much nicer to them either. What do they want? That politicians declare a commitment to the safety of straight men from persecution or something like that?