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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody View Post
    I am really unsure what are you are driving at here?
    Bother.

    I wasnt driving at anthing in particular with the first 2, I was baiting, and I am somewhat dissapointed that I hooked the moderate and not the fringe.

    Still, while we're here, why is it a bad thing that the damsel in distress exist? Why would the fact that bayonetta is as she is be worth of comment?

    2) Shes actually right here - the fact we don't see Women mass shooters does suggest we have a problem in Male culture which is creating these monsters - I don't agree with her that is is "Toxic Masculinity" (primarily because thats far to generic a term for way too many cultural facets) but the point stands.
    Your point, not hers, and her point is a rather blatant correlation equals causation fallacy, combine that with the date coinciding with a massacre it tells the people reading "I have an agenda and I dont care if I anger people who are mourning this tragedy by using it to prove a petty (in comparison) point"

    Which is a very counterproductive thing to do if she had any wish to persuade anyone outside her followers.

    3) And? Hitchens was all she said - just because they are dead doesn't mean we should revere them and ignore their faults... I am pretty sure you have criticised a number of dead people in any number of threads - does this make all your arguments invalid? even when they are totally unrelated?
    Hitchens was dead not 3 days and this woman comes out and blasts him, true or not it is highly disrespectful

    And again a very counterproductive thing to do if she had any wish to persuade anyone outside her followers.

    4) this one is difficult - technically she is right, she is using the technical definition of Sexism - she is not saying Men cannot be discriminated against only that any Discriminations men suffer cannot be Sexist as they hold the power. Personally I think the term Sexist has grown beyond its technical definition and now means any Discrimination which is purely based on Sex.
    The oxford English dictionary defines sexism as: Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
    Typically but not exclusively, and there's nothing about this prejudice+power in it, by claiming otherwise ms sarkeesian is validating the often mentioned idea that feminists are attempting to rewrite language to suit their purposes... Actually now that I think about it why is there be any need for the "Typically women" bit?

    The intent of the last 3 was to establish how little ms sarkeesian seems to care about avoiding the stereotypes of the crazy feminist.

    See I dont mind the moderate stuff, I wouldnt mind seeing more games geared towards women, I like equality, I shouldnt have to say it but I do, however the impression we get from anita is that she wont stop at equality, she keeps attacking things geared towards men as if they must be eliminated.

    She keeps reading too far into things and assuming the worst intent; "no its not a cliche that comes from the natural desire of young men to be a hero and by doing so earn the affection of a mamber of the oppsite sex, it's an insulting convention that is made to degrade women." "No it's not the creator trying to pander to immature young men by giving them some pretty women, it must be the male developers systematically objectifying women and making young men think of the opposite sex as objects. "

    It's as if she's willfully misintepriting companies pandering to male immaturity as oppressing women.

    Instead of asking for more to be made for women she is shaming people with the seeming intent that less be made for men, and surely, cant the market grow to accomidate both?

    If most Feminists want equality, that's great, I'd love to see it, but to uplift themselves they shouldnt have to drag men down to do it, and the impression that is given when people like sarkeesian keep showing up in the news or on television instead of moderates is that all feminists want to do so.
    Last edited by Greyblades; 05-05-2015 at 17:42.
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