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    Social media is not mainstream media and this article using twitter stats and the like to disprove media bias is about as useful as using comic books to disprove a trend towards communist biases in mainstream literature.

    The guy who wrote that article's history on the site has a lot of headlines hitting trump hard and pulling punches on hillary, that doesnt help his credibility though it does support my claim.
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    Did you even read the article? I dont think you understand what its saying about how it collected data, or you just dont know that mainstream media is on social media nowadays. They werent counting some guy from Oklahoma ranting on his twitter page, nowadays media outlets will publish links to their articles on twitter. But if thats not good enough you have this study too.
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    So the Bernie supporters at the convention are super angry, and people were shouting "lock her up" from the floor. So much for unity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Did you even read the article? I dont think you understand what its saying about how it collected data, or you just dont know that mainstream media is on social media nowadays. They werent counting some guy from Oklahoma ranting on his twitter page, nowadays media outlets will publish links to their articles on twitter. But if thats not good enough you have this study too.
    The first link is anecdotal evidence, the other one is not.

    BUT, you also forget the fact that a lot of Clinton's bad coverage came from some issues not related to her actual campaign, like emails and Benghazi.

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    Bad press is bad press and it impacts a campaign all the same. The proceedings over Trump University is bad press for Trump and impacts his campaign as well.
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    I suppose, as a private entity, the democratic party can do as it pleases. Clinton has been nothing if not a loyal solider. Sanders has basically held the party at arms length for his career, only associating with them when he has to.

    There are a few problems with that. The party has created a perception that they are neutral arbiters in the race for the white house. They have denied that they were backing a horse on multiple occasions. Schnitzel doubled down and was basically forced to resign by the big dem power players. Hill dog then gave Schnitzel a job! How dense can one be?

    The "optics" are wrong.

    Not to mention the whole contributions for jobs, a point that Trump has been hammering.
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    Also the damage control the big social media sites are trying to do is stunning. Playing right into the Dons hands.
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    I will agree that DWS is a moron and should have resigned immediately. I read something earlier about how a while back Obama tried to force her out of her job and she threw a fit and was going to accuse him of antisemitism or something. I would imagine something similar happened here. Something else to consider is the fact that DWS is for some reason really well liked in her district in Florida. Since Florida is a crucial state, alienating her constituents would probably be a bad idea.

    Honestly though, at this rate Hillary is going to stumble into the general election and I wouldnt be surprised if she fumbled this election which should be a slam dunk for her if she wasnt so scandal-prone. The GOP literally nominated the best candidate for her but I would bet that she still messes it up somehow. She might be an apt politician once in office but she seems to be terrible at the whole campaigning thing. The amateurism of the DNC doesnt help either. If Bernie wasnt such a terrible candidate he would have won the primary.
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    A bit of advice. If you're an American leftie and you're depressed about how the Democratic Party is going, hop over to the Labour leadership thread and have a read about the latest antics of Our Dear Leader and his Merry Men.

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    She's well liked in her district because she plays the identity politics game like a champ. Railing against Jewish intermarriage while decrying the exclusion of minorities is some kind of balancing act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Bad press is bad press and it impacts a campaign all the same. The proceedings over Trump University is bad press for Trump and impacts his campaign as well.
    It's not the same. We were talking about how the deck was stacked in favour of one candidate.

    Clinton's bad press is because she was under an FBI investigation.

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    The Bernie or Bust crowd might be called a lot of things, but Quitters ain't one of them

    The DNC lovefest has begun!

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    I just don't see it....PA and FL have lots of undecided voters, but in both states the undecideds would have to go 2-1 in Trump's favor to give him the win in those states. And, as this map shows, of all the too close to call states Clinton need only win Florida to be President. Trump, by contrast, practically has to run the table in the "too close to call" states. With Kaine making VA a probable win for Hillary and his Spanish-speaking efforts to harden her support among Latino/a voters and Bernie doing such a strong endorsement (3/4 of Sanders folks were inclined to vote Hillary even before he spoke), I do not think Trump can get the steam up to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It's not the same. We were talking about how the deck was stacked in favour of one candidate.
    And Trump is being sued for RICO violations. Maybe not visibly as bad as an FBI investigation but its still serious.

    Im no fan of Clinton, but Im not seeing any hard evidence where the DNC actually rigged anything for her. Was she their preferred candidate? Of course. Did they bad mouth him in internal emails? Yup. Is the bias for Clinton troubling? Yes, but Im not seeing a reason to riot.
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    There is no hard evidence of the DNC "rigging" anything in her favor because they did not have to do so. The entire set-up (super-delegates etc.) was in place well before Sanders declared with the precise intent of allowing the party leadership to implicitly designate a "leadership's preference" candidate and to thereby have a chilling effect on the open delegate selection process -- which was itself all set up proportionally so that a larger "establishment" candidate could garner 30-40% of the delegates in a state even when they lost -- and the establishment candidate could be presumed to have the greater funding and to be able to compete everywhere.

    All of these factors were in place BEFORE Sanders even decided to run. It is, if anything, a testament to his ability to connect with the progressive wing of the Democrat party that he did as well as he did and actually posed a credible threat. Had he won a few more states and won them bigger he might have poached some super-delegates and changed the result.


    DNC leadership is supposed to avoid the appearance of favoring one nomination candidate over another, but in practice that isn't really possible. At best you can hope that they do not actively attempt to trouble a candidate they dislike. These e-mails clearly reveal that the 'fig-leaf' of impartiality wasn't even being honored in the breach this time around. Fancy them not wanting to have a socialist heading the ticket with all of the fruitbat left wing of the party antagonizing middle America and the South.
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