POTUS Election thread

[a completely inoffensive name]

First collapse was the more conservative party, Second was the more liberal. Probably due for a conservative collapse this time, if you adhere to the pendulum notion.

Can you really apply those labels accurately to Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans?

Federalists emphasized strong national government, while the party of Jefferson emphasized the states...you sure it was the conservatives that collapsed?

[Fragony]

Oh noes, two kisses on the cheek and one on the mouth, I do that as well. Sexual-assault must be something else in the US of A

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Back then, the lack or minimization of a central government was the liberal position -- each man as free as possible -- and a federal government was the conservative choice.

Henry, Jefferson, etc. were far more "liberal" in outlook than were Hamilton and Washington.


Admittedly, the labels are not quite so applicable to the older framing as they are today.

[Montmorency]

I think you're being pedantic. I just responded to your bs with some bs. You should try disproving a point rather than arguing semantics or writing a dissertation on a forum. Rape is more prominent where? End of story. Whether you attribute this to oligarchy or religious piety or sexism is another story.

Also note that you were the one who conflated the two to begin with.

So wrong or irrelevant on all counts, as before. You seem to have nothing to say beyond a variant of the tired 'People who cry racism are the real racists!" nonsense.

[AE Bravo]

So wrong or irrelevant on all counts, as before. You seem to have nothing to say beyond a variant of the tired 'People who cry racism are the real racists!" nonsense.

For a person claiming I have nothing to say, you have nothing to say here.

It's funny that Fragony can say what he likes but an opposing view of the same tone is seen differently. That's all I'm saying.

[Fragony]

Can't say that I'm not open to opposing views

[Pannonian]

For a person claiming I have nothing to say, you have nothing to say here.

It's funny that Fragony can say what he likes but an opposing view of the same tone is seen differently. That's all I'm saying.

Fragony is a far right . He admits he is one though, which is a level of self awareness that eludes you.

[Fragony]

Fragony is a far right . He admits he is one though, which is a level of self awareness that eludes you.

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

[Husar]

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

Define "don't like the Islam", I'd say I don't like islam either and yet we keep arguing about it...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

cultural conservative; social moderate/liberal; foreign policy ?; military/use of force?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Admittedly, the labels are not quite so applicable to the older framing as they are today.

That's my point exactly. Seems like a mistake to try and guess the outcome of the collapse of the Republican party through the lens of liberal and conservative.

[edyzmedieval]

Regardless of your preferences, the current election in the United States has offered some very weird and some downright shocking moments. Whatever happened to those elegant jokes in debates like in the old days?