POTUS Election thread

[Gilrandir]

Fellow EU citizens are not foreigners.

You are snubbing not only me (as a non-EU citizen), but Norwegians as well.

Once we are all United Earth citizens, you can tell those from the US-district how to choose their governor.

Let's wait until then.

[Husar]

You are snubbing not only me (as a non-EU citizen), but Norwegians as well.

About you I don't know, but Norwegians follow those guidelines willingly.
Does Ukraine not have the technology to produce its own incandescents if it wants them so much?

[Gilrandir]

About you I don't know, but Norwegians follow those guidelines willingly.
Does Ukraine not have the technology to produce its own incandescents if it wants them so much?

I was referring to your comment on a foreigner giving advice to voters, not on incandescents. The latter are produced in plenty. And the lamp you showed (looking like incandescent but being LED) is not available - at least at those outlets I inquired. They had only those non-translucent ones which emit the kind of light I dislike.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And the first time one went belly up, we had the Era of Good Feelings. So your mileage may vary.

First collapse was the more conservative party, Second was the more liberal. Probably due for a conservative collapse this time, if you adhere to the pendulum notion.

[a completely inoffensive name]

First collapse was the more conservative party, Second was the more liberal. Probably due for a conservative collapse this time, if you adhere to the pendulum notion.

Can you really apply those labels accurately to Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans?

Federalists emphasized strong national government, while the party of Jefferson emphasized the states...you sure it was the conservatives that collapsed?

[Fragony]

Oh noes, two kisses on the cheek and one on the mouth, I do that as well. Sexual-assault must be something else in the US of A

[rory_20_uk]

So world leaders won't speak to a POTUS who is notorious for his heartbreaking skills?

World leaders don't vote POTUS in. And here we have voters discussing whether it is appropriate for an official to be a lady's man in his spare time. Let him rule gloriously and indulge in whatever legal pastime he fancies.

To paraphrase Churchill, he'd find good things to say about the Devil if in an alliance.

I have no interest in him being a lady's man - it being when he boasts of being a letch and lies about it that it becomes an issue.

World leaders didn't vote him in. But there's a good chance he'll have to deal with the world. If they all perceive him as lying scum that makes things harder for the USA.

[Fragony]

Treating women as sub-human shouldn't be that much of a problem with Hillary's foreign friends either. This is all good fun in an awful way. I have never seen anything like it

[Hooahguy]

World leaders didn't vote him in. But there's a good chance he'll have to deal with the world. If they all perceive him as lying scum that makes things harder for the USA.

I mean to be fair both candidates have this issue, though I think overall Trump has it worse on the "world leaders dont respect me" part.

[HopAlongBunny]

Fortunately, The Donald has revealed a complicated conspiracy to steal the election from him.
It is of course Hillary; backed by International Bankers, the Media, women (of course) and the Clinton spiderweb of crime.
Proof!? Who needs proof? Donald said so! So there:

http://wonkette.com/607530/donald-tr...out-to-get-him

[Husar]

Do something against the establishment of billionaires and corporations and vote for the billionaire who owns a huge corporation!

[AE Bravo]

Treating women as sub-human shouldn't be that much of a problem with Hillary's foreign friends either. This is all good fun in an awful way. I have never seen anything like it

Yet sexual harassment and rape is skyrocketing in your culture, way more than the middle east. Even people running for president indulge in it. Where are women really "subhuman?"

Maybe that's why the overly thirsty Muslims flock to you.

[Montmorency]

Ah, that old casuistry. To keep with the style, I'll point out then that of course the Presidents of Middle Eastern countries can't be rapists if they personally own those women.

[AE Bravo]

Ah, that old casuistry. To keep with the style, I'll point out then that of course the Presidents of Middle Eastern countries can't be rapists if they personally own those women.

Wrong. They own everyone. Both genders are victims of this, still significantly less than western rape culture.

[Montmorency]

So you have just weakened yourself from multiple angles, by conflating oligarchy with rape culture and then going on to claim that oligarchy is stronger in the Middle East, and that this somehow has bearing on rape culture in the West, which surely must needs be worse than in the Middle East.

Cut the drivel.

[Fragony]

Yet sexual harassment and rape is skyrocketing in your culture, way more than the middle east. Even people running for president indulge in it. Where are women really "subhuman?"

Maybe that's why the overly thirsty Muslims flock to you.

That could be fair I guess, but rape in muslim countries is low because women are forced into a role. You can easily counter that of course

[AE Bravo]

So you have just weakened yourself from multiple angles, by conflating oligarchy with rape culture and then going on to claim that oligarchy is stronger in the Middle East, and that this somehow has bearing on rape culture in the West, which surely must needs be worse than in the Middle East.

Cut the drivel.

I think you're being pedantic. I just responded to your bs with some bs. You should try disproving a point rather than arguing semantics or writing a dissertation on a forum. Rape is more prominent where? End of story. Whether you attribute this to oligarchy or religious piety or sexism is another story.

Also note that you were the one who conflated the two to begin with.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Back then, the lack or minimization of a central government was the liberal position -- each man as free as possible -- and a federal government was the conservative choice.

Henry, Jefferson, etc. were far more "liberal" in outlook than were Hamilton and Washington.


Admittedly, the labels are not quite so applicable to the older framing as they are today.

[Montmorency]

I think you're being pedantic. I just responded to your bs with some bs. You should try disproving a point rather than arguing semantics or writing a dissertation on a forum. Rape is more prominent where? End of story. Whether you attribute this to oligarchy or religious piety or sexism is another story.

Also note that you were the one who conflated the two to begin with.

So wrong or irrelevant on all counts, as before. You seem to have nothing to say beyond a variant of the tired 'People who cry racism are the real racists!" nonsense.

[AE Bravo]

So wrong or irrelevant on all counts, as before. You seem to have nothing to say beyond a variant of the tired 'People who cry racism are the real racists!" nonsense.

For a person claiming I have nothing to say, you have nothing to say here.

It's funny that Fragony can say what he likes but an opposing view of the same tone is seen differently. That's all I'm saying.

[Fragony]

Can't say that I'm not open to opposing views

[Pannonian]

For a person claiming I have nothing to say, you have nothing to say here.

It's funny that Fragony can say what he likes but an opposing view of the same tone is seen differently. That's all I'm saying.

Fragony is a far right . He admits he is one though, which is a level of self awareness that eludes you.

[Fragony]

Fragony is a far right . He admits he is one though, which is a level of self awareness that eludes you.

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

[Husar]

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

Define "don't like the Islam", I'd say I don't like islam either and yet we keep arguing about it...

[Fragony]

Define "don't like the Islam", I'd say I don't like islam either and yet we keep arguing about it...

There were also moderate nazi's, doesn't make the nazi-ideoligy very nice no? I got no problem putting them both in the same comfort zone. Do you have a good reason for me not doing that.

[Husar]

There were also moderate nazi's, doesn't make the nazi-ideoligy very nice no? I got no problem putting them both in the same comfort zone. Do you have a good reason for me not doing that.

Do you blame yourself for the massacres in the East Indies because you call yourself a dutchman? Have you apologized yet?

[Fragony]

Do you blame yourself for the massacres in the East Indies because you call yourself a dutchman? Have you apologized yet?

Nothing to see here move along. I am glad there are still people who see islam for what it is. It's not just a religion, it's a political movement that is as welcome as the inquisition, especially for your ordinary muslim who is terrified of these guys. Islamapoligists is the second worst thing

[Idaho]

Do something against the establishment of billionaires and corporations and vote for the billionaire who owns a huge corporation!

This is the essence of the right. Claim to be persecuted when you are the wealthiest and hold the majority of the best jobs. Claim that you are anti establishment when you are the economic and political elite. Claim to be bringing back the past, when you are presenting an imagined past no one had - while simultaneously talking about "civil rights" holding back progress.

[Husar]

Nothing to see here move along. I am glad there are still people who see islam for what it is. It's not just a religion, it's a political movement that is as welcome as the inquisition, especially for your ordinary muslim who is terrified of these guys. Islamapoligists is the second worst thing

I guess if I copy paste that entire post into the forum search, I get about 500 posts that are exactly the same and are completely irrelevant regarding the post quoted above them as well. Sometimes I might as well think of you as a bot that repeats the same line over and over if it does not understand the question.

Can you at least explain why a moderate follower of islam is not the same as a muslim to you or why do you put the former "in the same comfort zone" and say the latter wants nothing to do with Islam? I shall ignore that no muslima would probably say she has nothing to do with Islam for the sake of exploring your seemingly schizophrenic argumentation.

The only way I can make sense of it is that you're saying moderate followers of islam are muslims and want nothing to do with the political islam but because it's more comfortable for you, you'd rather stow them away with murderous islamists far away from you. In that case your argument would make sense, you'd just come across like a pretty big butthole despite all your claims that you have such a big heart.

[Fragony]

I will be saying the exact same thing I did in your forum search so why do I have to say it again if you already know what I will say