POTUS Election thread

[Xiahou]

I'd like it if one of the takeaways of this election is that money != win. Clinton massively out-raised and out-spent Trump.... and lost. Perhaps it's more important to have a message that appeals to voters rather than spending buckets of cash on over-produced campaign ads?

Having not been a Trump supporter, I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic and give Trump the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise. I did the same thing for Obama after the 2008 hopey/changey election. I hoped he would be the post-partisan president that he claimed he would be.... and he wasn't. Let's see what Trump does.

Edit: I just watched Trump's victory speech and... it wasn't terrible. Probably the most humble I've heard him.

[Husar]

Edit: I just watched Trump's victory speech and... it wasn't terrible. Probably the most humble I've heard him.

Watched some of that, I like how he said people should be thankful to Clinton for her service in the government when yesterday it was still about crooked Hillary having ruined the country with that same service.
One could also say he wanted division to win and now that he won he wants unity. Whether that includes all the minorities he wants to trample on remains to be seen I guess. As we say here, the guy says a lot when the day is long...

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[Beskar]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406106.html

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Anyone surprised by this result must have willfully ignored Clinton's unelectability - for at least three different reasons - and the fact that Donald Trump actually had the better message "Make America Great Again".

Actually very like Obama's "Yes we Can!"

It's just like Brexit, people assumed that the "Establishment" side had to win, because it was the Establishment, it was Progressive and it was "On the Right Side of History"

I think it's time we re-evaluate which side History is on, because the last two years have seen a lot of upsets.

[Strike For The South]

You did the same thing in the Brexit thread. Your opinions are effete, salon room abstractions that only serve to stroke the egos of those in your circle. You offer nothing, other than a pithy meme and your own smug sense of superiority.

This is a little dramatized but the main points are there https://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ

The working class was willing to look past the henious things he said and did because they have been lied to for so long. Pride cometh before the fall.

[Husar]

This is a little dramatized but the main points are there https://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ

Thank you, that's very interesting. IMO Bernie Sanders was the reasonable vote of that sort and Trump the crazy one. I guess when the democrats decided to "play it safe", a lot of people really did go to the Trump camp. I'm getting more and more curious how that will turn out.
And whether "the system" will allow his ideas to work if he actually implements them. Take the point with the 35% import tax, that only works in some areas I'd guess, in other fields one may end up with a 35% price hike because the wages and working conditions are higher/better when something is produced in the US.
I could be miscalculating, but as I said, that's the part where I'm curious how/whether it will work out. And before anyone says it's easy to watch an experiment on other people from a distance, remember that I was not quite in a position to decide the outcome and didn't exactly encourage this one either.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You did the same thing in the Brexit thread. Your opinions are effete, salon room abstractions that only serve to stroke the egos of those in your circle. You offer nothing, other than a pithy meme and your own smug sense of superiority.

This is a little dramatized but the main points are there https://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ

The working class was willing to look past the henious things he said and did because they have been lied to for so long. Pride cometh before the fall.

After watvhing that I want to vote for Trump.

But, yeah, I get it. He's saying he's going to use the government to punish capitalists for taking advantage of globalisation.

As in, he's saying he'll use the government FOR the people,not just try to balance the government ledger.

[Kralizec]

You did the same thing in the Brexit thread. Your opinions are effete, salon room abstractions that only serve to stroke the egos of those in your circle. You offer nothing, other than a pithy meme and your own smug sense of superiority.

This is a little dramatized but the main points are there https://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ

The working class was willing to look past the henious things he said and did because they have been lied to for so long. Pride cometh before the fall.

I have always tried to vote for candidates who I find convincing, because they support their views with sound arguments and data. Generally those are candidates which are part of the "elite" that people like Trump like to whine about.

If that counts as saloon room abstractions, so be it. I am not ashamed about it and I won't apologize for it. Screw the "working class" in that case.

FYI, I'm a low income worker. Most of my collegues wouldn't vote for a guy like Trump either. "Working class" in a context like this is just a euphenism for intellectually lazy people who get their political beliefs from their gut. And I don't mean lowly educated- there's a difference.

[Strike For The South]

I have always tried to vote for candidates who I find convincing, because they support their views with sound arguments and data. Generally those are candidates which are part of the "elite" that people like Trump like to whine about.

If that counts as saloon room abstractions, so be it. I am not ashamed about it and I won't apologize for it. Screw the "working class" in that case.

FYI, I'm a low income worker. Most of my collegues wouldn't vote for a guy like Trump either. "Working class" in a context like this is just a euphenism for intellectually lazy people who get their political beliefs from their gut. And I don't mean lowly educated- there's a difference.

When has Hillary ever supported anything soundly? Maybe the early 90s when she was on about healthcare? They tried to shove her down our throats because, and I quote, "it's her turn". What the hell kind of message is that to the electorate? For 30 years she said she would help the middle class and for 30 years they have been dying on the vine.

These elites have sold middle America a bag of lies. They've gutted unions, destroyed heath care, taken away jobs, left the infrastructure to rot, and spent American blood on forigen misadventures. Trump is shifty snake oil salesman with no real convictions, but he isn't them and that's what matters.

You people still can't see past your nose.

[Pannonian]

https://i.imgur.com/qr0XiP4.jpg

No worse than the crap that Corbyn has said over the years. At least Trump has (AFAIK) never taken the side of enemy whom our troops were fighting, unlike Corbyn and his mates.