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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    If you think that the referendum that Cameron is promising wont be rigged, I have a bridge.....
    Rigged?

    It won't need to be rigged, enough people (especially the Scots and Welsh) will vote to stay that it won't need to be "rigged" but the rest of the /EU will need to give ground or they risk something they couldn't possibly rig.

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    Betraying Unionists, I wonder what the referendum would say now, I'd reckon the election is a good indication. As for Schedules didn't the PM promise draft legislation by January, and wasn't it just reported that the plans fall some way short of the Smith Commission?

    Still it'll be interesting to see how much of an NHS and a civil service we have left in 5 years.
    Turnout in the Referendum averaged about 85%, turnout in the election was closer to 65%.

    It's obvious, really - people in England voted Tory because they want a tax cut and a new house, people in Scotland voted SNP because they went a rise in the minimum wage and better pensions. Enough Scots realise the SNP is running on English petrol to want the Union to stick together.
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    Wut? I've been mocking UKIP, not the SNP these past few days...
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    The EU referendum will be the fall of Cameron.
    The English will vote to get out, the French will be able to let the migrants to board the ferries and go to UK (new agreement between France/EU/UK will be fun for UK to negotiate), this will be only the start. Of course, all economic/financial/legal/security treaties will have to be renegotiate, including the ones with the City...
    And when UK will be out, well, it will be out...
    Perhaps it will be the fall of the actual undemocratic EU and perhaps we will be able to built how it was intended to be: Political and for peace by trade.
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    Cameron will never allow a referendum, no matter what he says on record.

    He, personally, has no interest in breaking the UK away from the EU. Additionally, a YES vote on the question "should the UK exit Britain" would immediately result in another Scottish referendum to exit the Union and join the EU as a sovereign state, and it would be waaay morel likely to succeed.

    While I love the idea of the UK devolving and/or dissolving, I suspect that Tory leadership is much more interested in clinging the last vestiges of an ancient imperial order. Sure, it's under the guise of "we're stronger together", but who cares? I'd take weakness.

    Anyway, this election was a huge victory for UKIP. The entire purpose this round was to inflame sentiment against the electoral status quo. When you see 4 million voters - the third largest party in the UK by vote share, far and away - have almost 0 representation in government, it pegs a huge bullseye on FPTP and will encourage devolution of England within the UK. I was very happy with that outcome, because victory was defined apart from representative outcome.
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    Ah I was wondering how long it would be before the irish Americans would come along to impotently sing the songs of the long dead war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
    "should the UK exit Britain"
    [...]
    While I love the idea of the UK devolving and/or dissolving
    I agree with both, let's turn Britain into a Dutch party island and move the UK to some corner of Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
    Cameron will never allow a referendum, no matter what he says on record.

    He, personally, has no interest in breaking the UK away from the EU. Additionally, a YES vote on the question "should the UK exit Britain" would immediately result in another Scottish referendum to exit the Union and join the EU as a sovereign state, and it would be waaay morel likely to succeed.

    While I love the idea of the UK devolving and/or dissolving, I suspect that Tory leadership is much more interested in clinging the last vestiges of an ancient imperial order. Sure, it's under the guise of "we're stronger together", but who cares? I'd take weakness.

    Anyway, this election was a huge victory for UKIP. The entire purpose this round was to inflame sentiment against the electoral status quo. When you see 4 million voters - the third largest party in the UK by vote share, far and away - have almost 0 representation in government, it pegs a huge bullseye on FPTP and will encourage devolution of England within the UK. I was very happy with that outcome, because victory was defined apart from representative outcome.
    No, just no.

    Cameron has committed, unconditionally, to a referendum. He has quite specifically poo-pooed the "no more powers" argument, and it's part of what swung the vote for him. If the Cons don't deliver a referendum they will be wiped out in 2020, and in fact if they DO deliver one and the UK splits from the EU, and Scotland splits for the UK, then they will be in an even better position.

    Or, to put it another way, your argument is neither sufficiently idealistic or sufficiently cynical to be correct.
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    Rigged?

    It won't need to be rigged, enough people (especially the Scots and Welsh) will vote to stay that it won't need to be "rigged" but the rest of the /EU will need to give ground or they risk something they couldn't possibly rig.



    Turnout in the Referendum averaged about 85%, turnout in the election was closer to 65%.

    It's obvious, really - people in England voted Tory because they want a tax cut and a new house, people in Scotland voted SNP because they went a rise in the minimum wage and better pensions. Enough Scots realise the SNP is running on English petrol to want the Union to stick together.
    And what do you base these totally unsubstantiated statements on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ja'chyra View Post
    And what do you base these totally unsubstantiated statements on?
    The figures for the referendum and the election? Or the belief that the majority of people will ultimately vote for the status quo, viz Europe?

    Well, aside from using my brain I read the BBC webpage and the papers where the figures were reported, and as to the EU - people generally vote for status quo vs economic uncertainty.
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