Shogun Total War coming to Steam!

[edyzmedieval]

According to the latest Rally Point...



This also means Medieval:TW is coming to Steam, which is amazing news as well. Hopefully in the case of Shogun more and more people will discover the original game that started the TW series.

Perhaps some MP battles, like in the old Org times?

[ReluctantSamurai]

The big question is...did they update the games so that they're playable on modern rigs without having to jump through hoops?

[edyzmedieval]

The big question is...did they update the games so that they're playable on modern rigs without having to jump through hoops?

Yes.

[edyzmedieval]

Apparently, Shogun TW will get Windows 7 & 8 compatibility, large screen usage (16:9 and 4:3) and MP through Steam. The MP part is to be confirmed.

[edyzmedieval]

Indeed, the details above are confirmed by CA. Reddit thread - http://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/com...pj7g?context=4

Both games will now support wide-screen, high resolution (16:9 & 4:3), Windows 7 & 8 if purchased through Steam.

[Martok]

Awesome-sauce.



And here it is!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/345240/

[ConjurerDragon]

Apparently, Shogun TW will get Windows 7 & 8 compatibility, large screen usage (16:9 and 4:3) and MP through Steam. The MP part is to be confirmed.

Apparently they updated it too good. At least for me it will install but not run anymore on Windows XP, despite on the Steam shoppage still claiming that it would.

[edyzmedieval]

Try and see if you can purchase a non-Steam copy to help you out.

[Drisos]

Twenty awesome years. ;) I also recently played Anno 1602 (released 1998) and Age of Empires II (released 2000).

Hands down, Oda 1580 (expert setting) You face a Takeda/Imagawa alliance right from the start, and within the first several turns you face off in a must-win battle against Takeda's cavalry army (mixed HC, NC, CA, and YC) and Imagawa's BFN/YS/SA's on the same battlefield. You have only Ashi and Teppo, plus whatever else you can scrape together.

Ah yeah, I posted several stories about campaigns of mine back in the day. Pretty sure all those screens are gone too, and I no longer have them. Oda 1580 sounds good, it's definitely next on the list!

[edyzmedieval]

Twenty awesome years. ;) I also recently played Anno 1602 (released 1998) and Age of Empires II (released 2000).

Ah yes, I did that the same recently. A good ol' trip down memory lane.

(also AoE2: Definitive Edition)

[Togakure]

In the 1580 Tokugawa scenario, I abandon Hizen and take Owari once the Oda leave it with a small garrison--with only my nine Battlefield Ninjas! I've found that when I play the battle manually and advance them "unseen" towards the defenders, they usually run away thanks to the fear factor. I then move in a large occupation army (usually the army that was previously in Hizen). The income in Owari more than makes up for the loss of Hizen, and now I don't have to manage a split empire.

STW, with its elegant simplicity, will always be my ultimate favorite. 20 grand years, indeed; it started it all. I play MTW1 more nowadays as it's got more details to occupy my need-to-be-busy brain, but I still go back to STW now and then, and love it every time.

[edyzmedieval]

STW, with its elegant simplicity, will always be my ultimate favorite. 20 grand years, indeed; it started it all. I play MTW1 more nowadays as it's got more details to occupy my need-to-be-busy brain, but I still go back to STW now and then, and love it every time.

While MTW 1 is my favourite TW game of all time, I absolutely adore the winter-ish music in STW. A bit of a STW soundtrack and maybe a campaign or two during winter times, with snow outside, is bliss.

[Drisos]

I hadn't been able to play Shogun ever since I switched to Windows 7. The Steam version works perfectly for me. Don't like buying games I already own, but for €2.49 I couldn't resist. Having a great time. Playing some Expert campaigns using tons of Ashigaru. Sweet. =]

[edyzmedieval]

Drisos! Oh wow, welcome back to the Org!
@Drisos

[Ludens]

Welcome back, indeed!

[Drisos]

Hey guys. =]

I seem to remember having more trouble winning Expert campaigns. Perhaps the long break actually made me reevaluate some bad strategies. One thing might be that I build more Ports early on, perhaps it's a good investment financially compared to improved farms in mediocre regions? Finished Sengoku Jidai campaigns for Oda, Shimazu & Takeda in no time. Think I only restarted Oda once after getting my Daimyo killed in one of the first few turns.

I wonder if it'll still work when I ditch Windows 7 for some Linux distribution, btw...

Edit: Which combination of Campaign (in Sengoku Jidai/1530/1550/1580) and Clan would be hardest to finish? Without imposing extra restrictions on myself, that is (other than not using Geisha, which I already refuse). For Sengoku Jidai, Imagawa seems hardest perhaps (no easy way to strongly expand income)? But I don't have much experience with the 1530/1550/1580 ones.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Which combination of Campaign (in Sengoku Jidai/1530/1550/1580) and Clan would be hardest to finish?

Hands down, Oda 1580 (expert setting) You face a Takeda/Imagawa alliance right from the start, and within the first several turns you face off in a must-win battle against Takeda's cavalry army (mixed HC, NC, CA, and YC) and Imagawa's BFN/YS/SA's on the same battlefield. You have only Ashi and Teppo, plus whatever else you can scrape together.

I say must-win because if you lose (the onslaught typically happens in Mino, occasionally in Owari), your fledgling empire is cut in half with little hope of recruiting enough troops to carry on.

I had an AAR a long time ago of one of these campaigns, complete with screenies, but unfortunately all the screenies are gone I had to fight the aforementioned Takeda/Imagawa alliance on one side, and a Mori/Shimazu alliance on the other. Nearly every single turn there was a major battle on one side or the other....sometimes both.

The key, IMHO, is to maximize the use of musket teppo (don't waste your time with the Arquebus) to inflict maximum casualties, while you carefully marshal an offensive army to strike back. It's somewhat frustrating to fight a series of defensive battles without striking back, but I tried several different strategies and finally settled on defensive battles to bleed those alliances terribly before my counter-offensives hit back. I got lucky on the Takeda/Imagawa front because I killed both Daimyo's and all the remaining heirs in one epic battle (Musket has a knack for killing generals)

Even if you don't use Geisha (same as me), you'd better have some highly skilled Ninja's to take care of enemy Geisha hunting your generals.

All-in-all, Oda 1580 is the most difficult, and most rewarding of all the Shogun I campaign's outside of the historical campaigns.

BTW, I did find one of my campaigns outlining strategy and describing events, but all of the screen-shots are lost

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...aga-s-Ambition

[edyzmedieval]

While reading the replies I have realised one important aspect... Shogun Total War is now 20 years old. 20.

[Drisos]

Hands down, Oda 1580 (expert setting) You face a Takeda/Imagawa alliance right from the start, and within the first several turns you face off in a must-win battle against Takeda's cavalry army (mixed HC, NC, CA, and YC) and Imagawa's BFN/YS/SA's on the same battlefield. You have only Ashi and Teppo, plus whatever else you can scrape together.

Made a start. Restarted twice after losing Hida turn 2 or 3 (he starts with Heavy Cavalry, really? :p). Now doing very well. They waited 4-5 years to finally attack now (probably depends on the size of your armies -- I quickly turned Hida and Mino into full stacks). Hida first, then Mino (with Tokugawa). Think I did about 1800 kills vs. 800 losses. I took Kawachi, Tamba, Wakasa & Echizen from the Rebels too. Mori gave up our alliance after Takeda attacked me. Now also took Harima and Tajima from Mori. Earning lots of money from Churches. Think victory is nearly secured.

Wondering if I would've won by just abandoning Hida and continuing the game. The income is very minor, and I guess it would just mean I would've fought twice in Mino instead of once in Hida, once in Mino.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Wondering if I would've won by just abandoning Hida and continuing the game. The income is very minor, and I guess it would just mean I would've fought twice in Mino instead of once in Hida, once in Mino

After playing this several times, quitting Hida is what I do. Mino has much more favorable terrain for defense, and you can pick up units from rebellions in Hida.

They waited 4-5 years to finally attack

You caught a break there.....in my campaigns with Oda 1580, they come in the first four or five turns, sometimes sooner

Think victory is nearly secured

Wow...sounds like you handled this campaign pretty easily

[Drisos]

After playing this several times, quitting Hida is what I do. Mino has much more favorable terrain for defense, and you can pick up units from rebellions in Hida.

You caught a break there.....in my campaigns with Oda 1580, they come in the first four or five turns, sometimes sooner

Yes, it's probably for the best. One less region to spread your troops out to would've been welcome too. Perhaps I'll try to replay the first few years to see how stabilizing/winning vs. Takeda & Imagawa turns out when I abandon it.

I was expecting them every turn, but seems like they didn't feel like it. Now I wish I had took notes on exactly what I did, so we could compare and figure out what's causing it.

Wow...sounds like you handled this campaign pretty easily

Well, turns out I was being optimistic! The campaign got quite hard (and quite interesting!). Imagawa died early on, but soon after that I was at war with all 5 remaining clans at the same time (Hojo unexpectedly invaded me in Shinano, at the same time Takeda and Uesegi jointly tried to take it). Mori and Takeda seemed hellbent on fighting me, even while they were being stabbed in the back. Now Shimazu has taken over the southern front, and he's surprisingly strong. He's won a few battles actually. My best way of dealing with the high quality No-Dachi is shooting them, but it hasn't worked out in every fight. I've retreated to Kawachi, which is impossible to take vs. my 8 units of Musketeers (his first attempt was 600 vs. 0 iirc). We fight in Harima twice a year now. I might just try and kill his bloodline as I'll have Honor 3 ninja's flowing out of Iga in 2 turns.

[Drisos]

I wonder if it'll still work when I ditch Windows 7 for some Linux distribution, btw...

Just thought I'd pop in and mention that it works decently (at least, for me). I am currently on Ubuntu 20.04. One minor graphical bug, which is fixed by going in and out of menu. Sound/music does some weird things when you Alt-Tab. And the movies aren't loading properly it seems. Perhaps there's some fix for that but I haven't bothered to try. All in all very playable.

[Shaka_Khan]

A remastered version would be the most moddable TW game and the only TW game that wouldn't crash.

[edyzmedieval]

Judging by the fact that we're going forward with Pharaoh TW, a remastered STW is probably not going to happen. It's been 22 years since then. RTW was far more popular, and it was 3D, making it easier to remaster.

[NikolaTheGreat]

Judging by the fact that we're going forward with Pharaoh TW, a remastered STW is probably not going to happen. It's been 22 years since then. RTW was far more popular, and it was 3D, making it easier to remaster.

Maybe the original MTW1 has better chances to be remastered at some point? It's more popular and it sold more than STW, at least. What do you think the odds are be in comparison to STW? Are the odds really the same as STW or maybe a little higher?

[NikolaTheGreat]

Judging by the fact that we're going forward with Pharaoh TW, a remastered STW is probably not going to happen. It's been 22 years since then. RTW was far more popular, and it was 3D, making it easier to remaster.

Hi, edyz. With all my respect.. I disagree with your assertions, here's why:


1) The age of the game doesn't preclude a remaster.. There are hips of +20 year old games that got this kind of treatment recently: Tomb Raider 1,2 and 3, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology, Stronghold, Star wars Dark Forces, Baldur's Gate, Neighbors from Hell,System Shock, Final Fantasy 1-6, Final Fantasy 7, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro.. Even the 27 years old Argonaut's Croc Legend of the Gobbos is getting an HD remaster. Why would then STW and MTW not be getting the same treatment? There is no point in what you've said. Also, not all of those are more popular than STW and MTW, some are less and still got a remaster so the level of popularity is not an issue since STW and MTW are too iconic and important to be left in the dust.

2) The fact that they are going forward with WH3 and Pharaoh doesn't mean anything. They can produce new games while still paying Feral Interactive (the studio that made Rome Remaster and mobile and Med2 mobile) to make a low cost remaster of STW, MTW and MTW2. Remasters don't preclude the production of newer sequels, and Feral is responsable for remasters and ports, not CA itself. So even this argument is flawed.

3) RTW is 3D, but the fact that STW and MTW are 2D is actually a plus because it is easier and cheaper to update 2D games than 3D games. Risks are lower and costs are less than a half of what it costed to them to make RR. Tons of 2D games are getting remastered... Being 2D doesn't preclude a refresh at all, quite on the contrary. See Stronghold, Command and Conquer and AoE remasters and you'll get what I mean.


4) Remasters are an easy cashgrab and CA loves money, thus a remaster of MTW and STW would generate enough money to make them satisfied... Also, both games are struggling with compatibility issues so remasters will be more needed more and more as time passes. The demand for them is slowly increasing. Also, remasters are becoming a trend in the gaming industry nowadays, which reinforce my hypothesis further. Easy money made on nostalgia.

5) I've found a leak by Volound on Reddit that points towards these remasters being a likely outcome for the future. I can send it to you, if you wish?


That being said, I hope I was clear with my counter-arguments.


Here's the leak I've mentioned above, read it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Volound/com...me_remastered/


Best regards! Let me know your thoughts.