Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
This is not a problem with a small number of perverse politicians - remember all the failed referenda for the EU Constitution? Then there was the thing where Ireland had to vote twice to accept the Lisbon Treaty...

The masses have no appetite for becoming a Federal Union, many of the countries involved are ALREADY Federal Unions, they don't want to be subsumed under another level of government.

So, again, Farage is basically right - whether you believe in the dream of the EU or not, it's been done backwards and the wheels are in danger of coming off.
I said Farage and like-minde people, not just like-minded politicians.
So people vote no in referenda but do not vote in sufficient numbers for UKIP and other parties to get out of the half-arsed, obviously faulty thing that the EU is right now. Does that mean that the masses want this to be a mess? It appears as though most people are just led around by the established parties and the press, does that not make it the fault of the masses that we are in this insufficient state in Europe?

You can't blame the politicians that you reelect all the time. Maybe if you voted for someone else, but in a democracy that still means that most of your fellow nationals, with whom you supposedly have so much in common, still wanted someone else.