Another terrible race motivated attack.

[Beskar]

I like how the statistics show black people are 'bad' because they are poor and starving in ghettos, how dare they rely on food stamps! Should take it a step further and suggest they should starve to death instead of the pittance poor week.

Not like actually providing better welfare support will significantly lower crime-rates or removing what is there wouldn't cause significant higher rate of crime..

[a completely inoffensive name]

So you are telling me that when you have institutions that destabilize the ability of a community to establish nuclear families, you get poverty, violence and welfare?

I could have sworn Rhy made a post describing aspects of UK society destabilizing because of the deterioration of families. I need to find it so I can respond to these "statistical" arguments.

[Ironside]

In case you wonder what I mean about propaganda.

Reading that info like you normally would (so no through reading), would you say that a black murderer are?:
a) Vastly more likely to murder a white person than a black person.
b) More likely to murder a white person than a black person.
c) About the same.
d) less likely to murder a white person than a black person.
e) Vastly less likely to murder a white person than a black person.

[Kadagar_AV]

Edit: And that picture... Racism, bias and some points worth discussing but are quite hard to separate factors.

Statement: Institutional racism in the US forces the black population into a perpetual underclass with poverty and crime as a consequence.
Proof: That picture.

Truth: Insufficient data. It proves that blacks are generally an underclass (shocking I know)

Yes, blacks are the underclass in societies that mix white/black or asian/black or wherever blacks go that isn't Africa.

You CAN argue that it is because of institutional racism, as you argue.

You CAN also argue that blacks culturally and/or genetically are subpar, and that's why they generally end up in the lower end of most scales measured by the western society.

I like how the statistics show black people are 'bad' because they are poor and starving in ghettos, how dare they rely on food stamps! Should take it a step further and suggest they should starve to death instead of the pittance poor week.

Not like actually providing better welfare support will significantly lower crime-rates or removing what is there wouldn't cause significant higher rate of crime..

Why are they poor? Why are they living in ghettos?

Is it because everyone hate blacks, or is it because blacks just doesn't seem to be able to show their worth?

Look at asians that join western societies... They can come from totally devastated backgrounds, and they still not only function, but generally prosper in white societies.




So yeah, there are two ways of looking at this issue...

One way is to say that blacks don't do to well is because of RACISM...

Another way is to say that blacks are treated as they should be in a free market economy...

And yet another way is saying blacks probably should get their testosterone in check and work on their social ethics.

Furthermore we have the perspective of "let blacks be blacks, and let ME live MY life without them troubling me or my children".



This is ALL very generally speaking, of course.

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You CAN also argue that blacks culturally and/or genetically are subpar, and that's why they generally end up in the lower end of most scales measured by the western society.

Are you still pretending you're not a white supremacist?

[Kadagar_AV]

Are you still pretending you're not a white supremacist?

I'm a factualist...

If I was a white supremacist, I wouldn't conclude that asians are smarter than whites, or that blacks run faster than whites...

I just look at the scoreboard mate...

And on that scoreboard, blacks don't do to well in western societies. Heck, blacks don't even do that well in their own societies or even nations.

Am I wrong?

[Husar]

Another way is to say that blacks are treated as they should be in a free market economy...

Hitler said the same thing about the jews.

[Kadagar_AV]

Hitler said the same thing about the jews.

Source?

Hitler has said a lot of things about jews, but it would be news to me that he said that they did to poor in a market economy?

Wasn't it more about them acting like vultures in the market economy for their own gains instead of working for the best of the nation at large?

[Husar]

Source?

Hitler has said a lot of things about jews, but it would be news to me that he said that they did to poor in a market economy?

Wasn't it more about them acting like vultures in the market economy for their own gains instead of working for the best of the nation at large?

That's not what you said, you said they are treated as they should, and he thought/said he was treating the jews as they should be treated or are you going to doubt that as well now?

According to the Ukraine thread that makes you just like Hitler because you use his rhetoric.

[Kadagar_AV]

That's not what you said, you said they are treated as they should, and he thought/said he was treating the jews as they should be treated or are you going to doubt that as well now?

According to the Ukraine thread that makes you just like Hitler because you use his rhetoric.

My point is that blacks might do less well in western societies because of cultural and/or genetical factors.

People at large are less eager to pay someone well or even hire them if they do not hold up to the standards set. It MIGHT be reasonable to argue that blacks just don't do that well in a free market.

I mean, seriously, with the amount of black people we have included, in a free market economy it would mean that, by your logic, the FIRST company that gets on the ball and start using the black labour force would profit like crazy, no?

But yet it never happens?

I say it again...

This CAN be because of structural racism.

This CAN be because blacks are not really worth much in the work market because of cultural/genetical reasons.



I know I am repeating myself, but seriously, why wouldn't a company or two have picked up on the HUGE potential that is the black population? By your reasoning, with blacks being on par with other races, the first company to invest in that workforce would sky rocket...

But yet, 2015, being black is still generally seen as a detrimental factor.


And from what I have experienced in my life, for good reasons.

Don't read me wrong though, I judge every person I meet individually. But in a macro-perspective... I mean, c'mon.. You would have to be blind not to see cultural differences.

[Husar]

I know I am repeating myself, but seriously, why wouldn't a company or two have picked up on the HUGE potential that is the black population? By your reasoning, with blacks being on par with other races, the first company to invest in that workforce would sky rocket...

Haha, yes, because companies are eager to solve the economic and educational problems of future employees. Next you are going to tell me that Goldman Sachs looks for poor, badly educated white/asian kids because they know that they have this huge potential from their genes or white/asian culture.