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    The founding Fathers were more diverse than that. You can find it in the language that many wished to suppress or remove slavery. The constitution gave slavery protection for only twenty years at which point congress banned the import of new slaves as soon as the protection expired. These compromises and the actions of early congress show more nuance than you give them.


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    The founding Fathers were more diverse than that. You can find it in the language that many wished to suppress or remove slavery. The constitution gave slavery protection for only twenty years at which point congress banned the import of new slaves as soon as the protection expired. These compromises and the actions of early congress show more nuance than you give them.
    And the CSA was more diverse than that but it doesn't change the centerpiece for either side.

    I don't believe that only racists like that flag, and I do agree there are people who like that flag and hate slavery and racism, but that is not a good enough reason to keep it. I'm sure there are other ways to express love for southern culture.
    In theory it can not and does not fly over any government buildings. South Carolina got around that by designating something as a "memorial". I'm all for that, treason should have consequences.

    My bigger issue is the deliberate whitewashing of history.

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    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

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    And the CSA was more diverse than that but it doesn't change the centerpiece for either side.
    Was it? I am willing to hear the case that the CSA was more than an attempt by gentry to preserve regional economics based on slave labor.


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    Was it? I am willing to hear the case that the CSA was more than an attempt by gentry to preserve regional economics based on slave labor.
    More than half the of the CSA did not secede until Lincoln called for volunteers to crush the rebellion. The civil war settled the state sovereignty question once and for all. The Hartford Convention, The Nullification Crisis, The whiskey rebellion were all times in the past when states invoked sovereignty (and the spirit of the revolution) against the feds.

    The nation had left the south behind and the south decided it wanted no part of the nation any longer. This was not a settled question at the time (hell, it's not even settled today.) If the Confederacy allows the re supply of Ft.Sumter, it's entirely possible that the Union would not have drummed up enough support to crush the revolt. Before the war it was the United States are, After the war it was the United States is.

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    Lets be clear. We are not talking about the civil war. The current political shitstorm that is brewing came about in the 50s and 60s when the dixiecrats began to use the star and bars as desegregation began. The flag fell out of use for nearly a century after the war.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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