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    Default A new view of Islam?

    I read this and thought it insightful.

    http://www.hoover.org/research/islam...-looking-glass

    It is perhaps one of the most coherent essays I've read on the subject yet.
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    Default Re: A new view of Islam?

    Very interesting. But it is not a "new" view of Islam. The Byzantine Empire would have recognised this easily.

    In essence we should leave them to kill each other and trade with them but not try to understand them as even if we were to we'd still not agree with them or be able to interact in ways that are mutually beneficial without outcries.

    If they want to come over here they should naturalise or leave and if their descendants (or indeed any other locals) want to go back and rejoin the old proud tradition of killing each other we should let them leave and not let them back.

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    Default Re: A new view of Islam?

    That's why I put a question mark at the end of the title!

    I agree that should they want to go and live in a 'pure' country we should do everything we can to help them. It's like those women and kids who went to live in ISIS because the west is debauched and evil. I say good. We should charter a 'plane and give out free (one way) tickets to all those that want to live in a 'pure' country.

    Oh and revoke their passports for treason btw.
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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

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    Default Re: A new view of Islam?

    If the book is anything like its summary, it's pure bollox.

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    I'm looking forward to it, it looks really hilarious.

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    Nursery school logic.

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    Default Re: A new view of Islam?

    Same mistake all over, Islam is not the same thing as just being muslim.

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    Such projects also reflect an ignorance of the incompatibility of the tribal mentality with the canons of liberal democracy. Despite the support of the Europeans after World War I in creating nations with constitutional governments, the Arabs “have resorted more and more to their basic social and religious institutions, the tribe and Islam, to provide the structure of government. Any progress towards political maturity has been stultified by their inability to comprehend any loyalty other than that to family, tribe or religious sect. Loyalty to the nation or to the constitution is a concept devoid of meaning for them.”
    It's racist.


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