Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
So? Russia subjugated and oppressed all Muslim states in central Asia, and they keep cultural and political links and the mixed population lives generally in peace.

It doesn't really make sense to hold a grudge indefinitely or we'd never get anything done.
How long did the old CIS last?


Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
Well, "workable" isn't really easily definable, but the proper democracies built on western models today are those countries that were pretty much empty when British appeared, like Australia, Canada or USA.

In all other places, where there's been a big population, British track record isn't that great. Even in India there are massive human right abuses, from child labour to mutilation, religious violence and so. Burma isn't any better. Do I need to mention Pakistan or Afghanistan? In Singapore they chop your head of if you have a joint. Sub Saharan Africa is filled with dictatorships... British loved to rekindle old rivalries and encouraged conflict between natives when it suited their interest.

So, no, regardless of what Brits like to think, Britain hasn't been a more just overlord than France or Netherlands.
And how does Britain compare with the Ottomans?


Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Israel, Jordan...
So how does that lot compare with the US, India, the former dominions, etc.? Where do the former Ottoman territories rank in the lists of open government and low government corruption? Hang on, while I scroll down the list until I get to the last page. Israel is pretty much the only high ranking country in those lists, and I doubt even the most fanatical Ottomanophile (barring the odd Serb) would give the Ottomans any credit for that one. Especially when the argument of building from nothing has already been put to avoid giving Britain any credit for Canada, Australia and so on.