Investigators Seek Motive Behind Tennessee Shooting Rampage

[Brenus]

"Or Muslim indiscriminately murdered by European colonial powers." Or European indiscriminately murdered by Muslim (mainly Turkish but not only) colonial powers, as you well know being in Balkans.
I wouldn't put colonial/conquest wars in this debate. France didn't invade Algeria because it was Muslim country. France took Algeria in constructing the 2nd Colonial Empire. France will invade what will become Indochina as well, and theses countries were not Muslim (and still not).

[Sarmatian]

"Or Muslim indiscriminately murdered by European colonial powers." Or European indiscriminately murdered by Muslim (mainly Turkish but not only) colonial powers, as you well know being in Balkans.
I wouldn't put colonial/conquest wars in this debate. France didn't invade Algeria because it was Muslim country. France took Algeria in constructing the 2nd Colonial Empire. France will invade what will become Indochina as well, and theses countries were not Muslim (and still not).

As far as imperialism goes, Turkish rule in the Balkans was infinitely more fair than just about any European colonial rule.

It is not about Europeans invading Muslim countries, it is about Europeans invading countries, period. For several centuries, up to two-three generations ago it was quite normal to murder indiscriminately for material gain of the state or some wealthy individual or companies.

It was organized murder and oppression on a vast scale, sanctioned or organized by the state, by the cultural elites.
On the other end, you've got some fringe, miniscule elements of a religion committing murders. And we are sane and they have a mental disorder.

I hate terrorism as much as anyone, but holding 1,200,000,000 people responsible for the actions of a few people is quite ludicrous.

[Fragony]

Indiscriminatly yes, what's in a word. For gain sure. But not because of religion. So indiscriminately indeed. And please don't bring the crusades to the discussion that is so... well so long ago

[Sarmatian]

Indiscriminatly yes, what's in a word. For gain sure. But not because of religion. So indiscriminately indeed. And please don't bring the crusades to the discussion that is so... well so long ago

So massacring civilian population is okay when it's done for material gain but crazy when done out of religious reasons?

Check.

[Greyblades]

Way to willfully misrepresent his words there skippy.

[Pannonian]

As far as imperialism goes, Turkish rule in the Balkans was infinitely more fair than just about any European colonial rule.

It is not about Europeans invading Muslim countries, it is about Europeans invading countries, period. For several centuries, up to two-three generations ago it was quite normal to murder indiscriminately for material gain of the state or some wealthy individual or companies.

It was organized murder and oppression on a vast scale, sanctioned or organized by the state, by the cultural elites.
On the other end, you've got some fringe, miniscule elements of a religion committing murders. And we are sane and they have a mental disorder.

I hate terrorism as much as anyone, but holding 1,200,000,000 people responsible for the actions of a few people is quite ludicrous.

And yet it was the British who did most in the history of mankind to end the practice of slavery around the world, and a large proportion of the former British empire still retains cultural and in some cases even political links with their former imperial oppressors. And it's notable that workable liberal democracies are more prevalent in areas formerly oppressed by the nasty British. How many functional liberal democracies are there in the former Ottoman empire? Probably only Turkey, and that because of some fervently Europhilic bloke back in the mists of time.