10 years

**Fragony** · 07-30-2015, 06:50

I don't even remember the joke, I can take jokes perfectly fine. This is a sad outcome of something perfectly innocent.

I'll take it as a compliment that Louis never explained anything to me

edit: just to make it clear, I have no idea what joke it was, probably a funny one. I have no idea who took offence, and who caused any trouble. I just learned now it was because of a joke against me, but I had absolutily nothing to do with it.

**Husar** · 07-30-2015, 12:28

Originally Posted by Fragony

I don't even remember the joke, I can take jokes perfectly fine. This is a sad outcome of something perfectly innocent.

I'll take it as a compliment that Louis never explained anything to me

edit: just to make it clear, I have no idea what joke it was, probably a funny one. I have no idea who took offence, and who caused any trouble. I just learned now it was because of a joke against me, but I had absolutily nothing to do with it.

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke. That was more or less how it began and was endlessly debated until it actually escalated. As long as there was just a debate, noone was going to get fired, that only came up when instead of apologizing and forgetting about it, Louis decided to one-up his questionable approach to the matter in order to prove some kind of point that he was right.

**Sarmatian** · 07-30-2015, 22:05

Originally Posted by Husar

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke.

Bollox. I've learned some things in the meantime (and Prole's post confirmed it), and it had nothing to do with that. We've allowed far worse before and since with no consequences. I can't even blame ACIN any more. If it hadn't been him, it would've been something else.

In one single stroke of pettiness, we were robbed of BQ, Louis and Adrian, certainly among our best and brightest. It's a disgrace and someone should at least be a man and own up to it instead of hiding behind "we don't want to reveal anything out of respect to them".

**Beskar** · 07-30-2015, 22:24

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

In one single stroke of pettiness, we were robbed of BQ, Louis and Adrian, certainly among our best and brightest. It's a disgrace and someone should at least be a man and own up to it instead of hiding behind "we don't want to reveal anything out of respect to them".

Just a question, do you think it is appropriate to discuss some of the more private interactions with members (like Louis)..
1) without their their permission.
2) in circumstances they cannot refute, deny or defend statements.

Because honestly, in my opinion, that is a can of worms that shouldn't be opened.

**Fragony** · 07-30-2015, 22:54

Originally Posted by Husar

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke. That was more or less how it began and was endlessly debated until it actually escalated. As long as there was just a debate, noone was going to get fired, that only came up when instead of apologizing and forgetting about it, Louis decided to one-up his questionable approach to the matter in order to prove some kind of point that he was right.

Not 'not much to do with it', but 'anything at all'. I just heard about it now

**Gilrandir** · 07-31-2015, 09:32

Originally Posted by Husar

There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke.

"Letter" means "a message", "latter" - the last of the mentioned.

Sorry, couldn't help it. But why should I be sorry? After your "than vs then" correction, I feel entitiled to correct you in kind.

**Husar** · 07-31-2015, 15:05

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

"Letter" means "a message", "latter" - the last of the mentioned.

Sorry, couldn't help it. But why should I be sorry? After your "than vs then" correction, I feel entitiled to correct you in kind.

I am aware of this, it was a typo and you are absolutely correct.
Thank you for pointing it out.