Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
"That particular example is terrible because it's a King as vassal to another King, and it's two Kings who want each other's land." Nope. Suzerain take back tittle and Lands to Vassal (as he was allowed by feudal's rules) because felony.

Gilles de Rais was as well stripped of his tittle and Lands. Little and Lands which were returned to his Daughter by the French King. Contrary to what you are saying, the Nobility at that times was not owner of the land nor the tittle, but were only the recipient of it.
A King who is notionally the Feudal Lord of another King can only enforce his claims on his "vassal" in so far as his is the stronger. This is a rather different situation to a King who's vassals are a lower rank. The Kings of france during much of the Early and High Medieval Period were also week because while they theoretically held most of the country in Freehold and everybody was under lease to them in reality they had little actual land. This contrasts strongly with the Cerding Kings of England prior to thee Conquest, who actual held a significant amount of land in lease to their own Earls.

This is a situation which developed over centuries because England remained relatively stable and "Book land" (land granted by charter) because increasingly common, such charters being perpetual titles of ownership in Freehold rather than leasehold.

Then along came William the Bastard and reset the clock, taking all land for himself and handing it out in leasehold to his vassals, ruining the economy.

How old is England? England is at least as old as Alfred - because that was thee defining moment when we ceased to be "Angles and Saxons" and became "Anglo-Saxons", and what defined an Anglo-Saxon was throwing off the Vikings. Later, an Anglo-Saxon was someone under a Norman boot.

Now, every defining French story I've ever heard talks about one of the times you threw the English out of France, France being defined as the bit you threw us out of plus the people doing the throwing.

Give me a French origin story older than Alfred and I'll concede the point - Charlemagne doesn't count because he's just as much father of Germany as France.

Just accept thee superiority of the English and their spawn, surely you must see it? You live among us and married one of our many excellent women!