Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
None of this is particularly consequential, but I'll address it anyway out of completeness. My vote was 'pseudo-random' in the sense that I didn't vote for landlubber randomly, but rather because I wanted to make a comment on his name (amusingly, it was 'khaan's post that had put me in the Moby Dick mindset).
So why did you vote for lubber then?

Firstly, I'd like to clarify that I did not at this point say that I found you suspicious. I stated that the confidence of your posting made me nervous, and that you were worth keeping an eye on; the reason being that assured scum tend to be better at manipulating the town and avoiding suspicion, which meant that if you were mafia, you'd be dangerously effective (as evidenced). I acknowledge that I could have been more clear here, but then again I would hope it is obvious that I don't consider people being confident and relaxed to be a scumtell.
Part 1 of this statement: "I didn't find you suspicious".
Part 2 of this statement: "Your posting style was in line with what I perceived to be extremely dangerous mafia behavior and I decided to keep an eye on you".
Part 3 of this statement: "I don't necessarily consider the posting style that I just talked about to be suspicious.

As for my vote on BSmith - sure, I agreed with your reasoning at the time, and found BSmith scummy. There is a distinction between leaving room to change your opinions of people and ensuring that if you change your vote, there is no evidence to say that you have shifted your position. My opinion at the time was that BSmith fell on the wrong side of that line, and I was wrong on it, but I don't think it would be fair to say that it was a horrendous misplay.
The difference here is you left yourself way too much of an out. And it's not an isolated case either, it's a recurring pattern as khaan has brought up earlier on.

At the time I also still believed that you were town, believe it or not. I might still believe it if it weren't for the fact that since you and 'khaan are a voting bloc, if you aren't his partner then it's game (and I'm an optimist at heart).
I'm going to pose the same question I posed to landlubber earlier: If you truly believe that khaan is scum and not just your get-out-of-jail free card, who is his partner? You've been dancing around the idea that it's me but you haven't fully committed yet one way or the other, once again falling into the pattern as described above.

I'm sorry, wasn't it about 95% certain that landlubber was scum?
You keep bringing up this post. You're waving it around like a flag in a desperate attempt to call attention to it despite the fact that so much has passed it by. Do you honestly think that somebody like me makes a post like that, knowing that we're in the endgame, at the very start of a phase and there's not a reason behind it? Nothing I ever do in these games is without reason or merit.

As for not joining in arguments, I feel that you're flat-out wrong here - I got involved with the argument against Visor, I got involved in the argument against you, and I even got involved in the argument against 'khaan this day phase (well, part of it).
There's getting involved in arguments, and then there's getting involved. It's extremely easy to make a post or two to comment on the situation and then call it a day. I've done that a lot in the past. It's far harder, as scum, to take the next step and really get your hands dirty, because of the inherent risks involved.

I'd still like you to address khaan's Post 295. I've accepted that I'm going to get very little sleep tonight before work, so I'll be here for some while longer.