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[Winston Hughes]

What the heck is a "Very gentle vote"? He voted visor immediately after the reveal. Starting a possible bandwagon is neither gentle, nor a place that doesn't generate suspicion. If it didn't generate suspicion, why are you so suspicious of it?

But it didn't generate any suspicion until he retracted it and made the 'fishing' claim, and even then it was only from me, with Csargo eventually joining me. Nobody else seems to have had any suspicions about him. And I'm not at all surprised. Posting the first vote on Visor was never likely to draw suspicion, especially when couched in the half-jokey, half-confused terms that GH used. And, as we saw, it was an accusation with a preplanned excuse behind it, the only problem being that, if you look at it with any kind of critical eye, the excuse doesn't actually fit the accusation.

For which you have also failed to provide a mafia justification- rather, you are simply parroting "he talked in private, that is bad". Wanting not to be lynched is an admirable quality of townies as well.

Cosying up to third parties whilst posting 'fishing' accusations with no bait and a ready-made excuse at the ready is not even close to townie play in my book.

He was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-visor lynch... when GH lodged the first vote of anyone to him. Right.

I'd already given BSmith a nudge that he needed to come out more decisive. I could see it was going to get him lynched, sooner or later, but I also recognised that it probably meant he was town.

So let me get this straight. You think GH, as a mafia, sent a PM to someone who he would know is innocent, saying he was fishing and would switch later... which is exactly what he did. What exactly does a mafioso gain from putting himself out like that on day 1? How bad at this game do you think GH is?

I don't think he's bad. I think he's very good, and has managed to fool nearly everyone here into giving him a free pass, despite the fact that he's not making any real effort to find the villains.

And I think you confuse "concise" with "hedged". Hedged is what Bsmith was doing(and why he got lynched). One does not need a Pizzaguy thesis to fish.

No, but one needs something substantive or provocative to act as bait. GH's accusation of Visor has nothing for a passing fish to go for, bar the sheer fact of the vote. And, let's be clear, posting the first vote on someone who's absolutely guaranteed to catch votes is the very opposite of provocative. It's the single best place to hide.

You want scumhunting, I suggest you try it. Instead of basing your argument on "did x, x is bad because reasons", try basing it on experiences.

In my experience, optimal scum play is entirely situational - the key thing is to tailor it to the audience. And I can quite believe that that's what GH has been doing here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody but me is voting for him, even though last night's kill has picked him as suspect once again this morning.

Indeed, seeing the Csargo kill, I bet most people's first thought was 'GH wouldn't be crazy enough to implicate himself like that'. Any notion of the kill implicating him is so bound up in WIFOM that it actually ends up making his lynch less likely. For that reason, whilst it can't be taken as any evidence of GH's guilt, the Csargo kill would be evidence of skilled play on the part of ScumGH.

Anyhow, that's me done for the day. Best guess, I'm probably getting lynched here. If GH really is scum, then I seem to have made a right old mess of this. I don't know why, but my town game seems to work fine everywhere else I play, but here at the org it just falls flat. Still, it's been fun, especially these last exchanges with khaan, so thanks for that.