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[Visor]

Well, lynching you is the only way we can contain you if you are a threat to the town, i. e. if you're lying. Sure, you could be scanned by a cop or roleblocked or tracked or whatever, but so what? If you are who you say you are, you still aren't inherently pro-town, and, like I said before, playing as a helpful townie is a guaranteed path to a nightkill. You don't seem in a position to help the town much.

You've sparked quite the discussion, so this day certainly wasn't wasted. In fact, this is probably one of the most productive first days I've seen. I'll humor you, though. Who's the better option? How are you reading everyone who's going after you?

Well no, thats not true and pretty dishonest. Lets say there are no other power roles in this game and my role was put in this game because there was an even number of players (my hypothesis). None of the reasons for voting so far stand on any reasoning that could be taken as scumhunting or what have you. I've claimed a role which whilst maybe not verifiable is a role that is not only NEVER claimed by mafia (mafia would claim something that would let them live and also never claim with their first post of the day). You can cling to the worst case scenario where I am lying about claiming a survivor role on one the most hostile to third party claims sites that play mafia an HOUR after the day began.

Now lets look at that in detail because I think that is pretty important. If you believe I am a survivor this is a GOOD thing if you are town. Because you know that the playerbase is narrowed and that the wolves can be found easier. (example, at f5 you would have a 2/3 chance of randomly voting a wolf rather than a 1/2). So my continued survival is useful for that point.

The other argument is that I claimed an hour into the game. Now, I don't live in the timezone that most do besides Ishmael here so unless you are suggesting I am mafia with the people who posted before I did which is you or Winston. Now, both you and winston are against me so that doesn't seem likely.

To quash this silly belief especially from winston: Unless you think I claim as a neutral survivor without talking to my teammate/s an hour into the game, the evidence is OVERWHELMINGLY likely that I am telling the truth about being a survivor.

I am in an excellent position to help town. My unique position means my opinion can be trusted moreso than most with respect to reads. I have every reason to be open and transparent and solving and I believe I have done.

I'll explain my vote better now that I have the time to do so.

I assume you are the role you say you are. I believe everything you posted in your initial reveal. The problem to me is revealing, almost instantaneously, your role with no prompt or reason. Also, the fact that you have no alignment to either side. You've left yourself open to being easily manipulated by the baddies. I think your reveal was an advertisement to the mafia to contact you, because that gives you the best chance to fulfill your win condition. You have a fighting chance to reason with townies not to lynch you. The same can't be said for being killed in the night randomly. It's a risky play, but it would be well worth if it worked.

That's my reasoning and whether or not it's correct I don't honestly know. Either way my vote stands as is.

So you believe I am NOT a mafia. Survivor typically win with anyone as long as they are alive at the end - I included that for completeness sake. And no, I don't think I can be easily manipulated by the baddies, not sure what that argument is about. And why on earth would the mafia contact me? If they think I'm telling the truth the best thing to do is leave me alone and for the game sake more than anything. Mafia will never contact me here saying hey I'm mafia. That is a terrible play.

The best chance for me to win was to reveal immediately because with this lineup I get nightkilled early. It is as simple as that.

The rationale behind both your votes doesn't make too much sense.

[Visor]

Been a while since I wrote that much in a post.

Let's go through the scenarios:

One: I am mafia. Rare but for completeness sake. I decided to claim an hour into the game presumably without talking to my partner unless they are Winston/Landlubber. I also decided to claim a role that will often get lynched due to the Org hating all third parties. I also gain my partner ~zero equity when I flip mafia because the suspicion on me comes from a position of perfect information - so winston or landlubber should be defending me not suspecting me because otherwise the flip reeks of PIS. I don't help my partner get through the game at all.

Two: I am town. Less rare but still. I decided to claim a role that typically gets lynched very early on in the game, presumably to get some discussion going day one. This is a reasonable move but would have been rescinded by now if I was town.

Third: I am exactly who I say I am. I claimed an hour into the game as soon as I read my role PM. I have been transparent and open to discussion from all players and have acknowledged all concerns.

We can see that option three is obviously the most likely.

Now we can look at what this means.

For the town - a narrowing of suspects, plus some information with how people have reacted to my claim.

For mafia - narrowing down of power roles if any. Has one less mislynch available technically.

So you can see my survival is actually beneficial to the town. And I already intend on attempting to solve this game - like I said earlier, that is the fun part for me.

[Visor]

Even if all that EVIDENCE doesn't convince you, I am asking you to ignore my claim then and focus on my tone/words/etc.

Do I sound like I am coming from a position of perfect information? Do I sound guilty?

I am doing my utmost firstly to get these terrible votes off me - next will come the examination of the players as they stand so far. But that will happen tonight, I'm taking a break for now.

[Csargo]

So you believe I am NOT a mafia. Survivor typically win with anyone as long as they are alive at the end - I included that for completeness sake. And no, I don't think I can be easily manipulated by the baddies, not sure what that argument is about. And why on earth would the mafia contact me? If they think I'm telling the truth the best thing to do is leave me alone and for the game sake more than anything. Mafia will never contact me here saying hey I'm mafia. That is a terrible play.

The best chance for me to win was to reveal immediately because with this lineup I get nightkilled early. It is as simple as that.

The rationale behind both your votes doesn't make too much sense.

That's what I said. One person contacts you and says vote this way or you'll die tonight. It's as simple as that really. You don't do it and you get killed, or you reveal who sent it and you get killed. You'd obviously choose survival over revealing considering your role. Why wouldn't they? The risk is negligible considering your role. It'd just give them an extra vote in the game. How is it a terrible play?

Why would you think that?

[johnhughthom]

That's what I said. One person contacts you and says vote this way or you'll die tonight. It's as simple as that really. You don't do it and you get killed, or you reveal who sent it and you get killed. You'd obviously choose survival over revealing considering your role. Why wouldn't they? The risk is negligible considering your role. It'd just give them an extra vote in the game. How is it a terrible play?

Why would you think that?

If I was a 3rd party role such as Visor is claiming, and scum contacted me in the manner you described, I would tell the town. I'm not in a team, stuff the win, threaten me, I'll take you with me. I think a lot of other players would do the same. Unless you're Askthepizzaguy, most players sympathise more with the town than scum in such a position.

Probably.

[Csargo]

If I was a 3rd party role such as Visor is claiming, and scum contacted me in the manner you described, I would tell the town. I'm not in a team, stuff the win, threaten me, I'll take you with me. I think a lot of other players would do the same. Unless you're Askthepizzaguy, most players sympathise more with the town than scum in such a position.

Probably.

Maybe you are right and I'm not saying Visor wouldn't do the same. His role makes him dangerous if such a situation arises later on down the line. It could shift the balance of a potential game winning/losing vote as numbers dwindle. I don't really want to take that chance, so I'd rather deal with it now and avoid the possibility later on. It makes Visor potentially dangerous, and that's a good enough reason for me to lynch him now.

No one else seems to be responding to my posts, but I won't change my vote.

[Visor]

That's what I said. One person contacts you and says vote this way or you'll die tonight. It's as simple as that really. You don't do it and you get killed, or you reveal who sent it and you get killed. You'd obviously choose survival over revealing considering your role. Why wouldn't they? The risk is negligible considering your role. It'd just give them an extra vote in the game. How is it a terrible play?

Why would you think that?

Why would they kill me? Its moronic from the mafia perspective to kill someone they can win with and I'm never going to be blackmailed or threatened in doing anything I don't want to.

I'd reveal them instantly.

[Csargo]

Why would they kill me? Its moronic from the mafia perspective to kill someone they can win with and I'm never going to be blackmailed or threatened in doing anything I don't want to.

I'd reveal them instantly.

It's a threat nothing more. You just said you always play to your win condition why wouldn't they use that against you. You reveal whoever contacted you and you die. It's pretty simple to me, even if it's stupid.

[Visor]

It's a threat nothing more. You just said you always play to your win condition why wouldn't they use that against you. You reveal whoever contacted you and you die. It's pretty simple to me, even if it's stupid.

Why would they threaten me in the first case?

They threaten me, I reveal them, its a 1-1 trade with someone who isn't town and doesn't conflict with their wc

makes zero sense

[Visor]

@GH

They killed Arjos!

[Visor]

My posting style has gotten more aggressive thanks to being around 2+2/MR a bit more.

It's mostly the frustration shining through at this point.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, I can't do the "talking to myself" schtick anymore. W/e

So here's the thing, Visor. You admitted the mafia have no interest in killing your role. That is correct. Therefore the likely result of your roleclaim is you make to a theoretical end game by virtue of announcing your role. Which means, if you *are* a ballsy mafioso, if your claim stuck, you'd basically not have to defend yourself past day 1. I don't think it's *likely* that you're a mafia making this claim, hence why I'll keep my vote on Bsmith. But, I have seen less likely things happen. Do I think this is the best lynch? No, not on probability. But I don't begrudge it because at the end of the day, it spares us from a potential last day phase where we toss a coin on whether you fake claimed, so I don't think this is even the worst result either.

Also, don't complain about the round being all about you when *you* made the round all about you by claiming a role on day 1.