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**Kagemusha** · 08-05-2015, 18:00

Very strange GH are you bit rusty? ;) I have indeed chimed in and voted Monty because of his subtle ways, which he did not want to comment in any way. I have no such problems old friend. I am watching at this point and you can be sure that i will contribute more as i have something to base a case.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-05-2015, 18:42

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Very strange GH are you bit rusty? ;) I have indeed chimed in and voted Monty because of his subtle ways, which he did not want to comment in any way. I have no such problems old friend. I am watching at this point and you can be sure that i will contribute more as i have something to base a case.

Wait, seriously? I guess I must be, I completely missed this.

Unvote: Kage
Vote: BSmith

**landlubber** · 08-05-2015, 19:17

First of all, there isn't an even number of players in the game, there are eleven. Second, you keep saying that the town can trust you and that you'll be helpful, but, as I've said before, the mafia would not want such a person alive. And the "mafia would never do this" defense really isn't working for me, because I can't imagine anyone playing like this under any circumstances. Your insistence on clearing yourself to the town while avoiding nightkills by the mafia just isn't true. Either you lay low and the mafia see no reason to spend a night killing you, or you play well enough as a pseudo-townie that you put a target on your back for the mafia.

My vote stands, as Visor hasn't convinced me and, while some others seem a little strange to me (GH and Monty stand out), no one even begins to reach Visor's level.

**johnhughthom** · 08-05-2015, 19:33

Originally Posted by landlubber

the mafia would not want such a person alive.

Indeed, what self respecting scumbag would keep such a thread dominating distraction going?

**Winston Hughes** · 08-05-2015, 22:57

unvote; vote: Visor

Has to be.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-05-2015, 23:34

I really think that lynching Visor is a bad idea.

Consider the following assumptions/statements/whatevers:

1) Visor is, I believe, one of the most active remaining mafia players here across multiple fora, and is thus very much in tune with the metagame.

2) He has to be aware that the .Org is notorious for being twitchy with claimed third-party roles, thus, it wouldn't benefit him too much to claim something like that without reason.

3) Considering Point 1 above, he could be considered a likely kill target and this may - intentionally or not - be a way to remove that by deliberately attracting more suspicion towards himself (this is what I've been doing after all)

4) If he has the option to align with scum, as some people have said, and this is his way of putting himself out there, wouldn't that be unbalanced for a game of this size?

Feel free to pick apart.

**Visor** · 08-05-2015, 23:45

It's bit startling that I'm going to lose this game immediately, I think I've done pretty much everything I can to convince you of my alignment. Gone above and beyond the call of duty here.

**Visor** · 08-05-2015, 23:58

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I really think that lynching Visor is a bad idea.

Consider the following assumptions/statements/whatevers:

1) Visor is, I believe, one of the most active remaining mafia players here across multiple fora, and is thus very much in tune with the metagame.

2) He has to be aware that the .Org is notorious for being twitchy with claimed third-party roles, thus, it wouldn't benefit him too much to claim something like that without reason.

3) Considering Point 1 above, he could be considered a likely kill target and this may - intentionally or not - be a way to remove that by deliberately attracting more suspicion towards himself (this is what I've been doing after all)

4) If he has the option to align with scum, as some people have said, and this is his way of putting himself out there, wouldn't that be unbalanced for a game of this size?

Feel free to pick apart.

Well I'm not putting myself out there for scum - I always play to the win condition specified in my role PM. Unlike some people *cough SW town cough*.

Mostly everything said here is correct. Most of plays only make sense from the survivor pov. And I assume most of finally bloody beleive it by now which means you should be focusing on finding the mafia rather than this discussion which went on for far too long because I had to defend myself against stellar accusations like Montys.

**Visor** · 08-06-2015, 00:00

Originally Posted by landlubber

First of all, there isn't an even number of players in the game, there are eleven. Second, you keep saying that the town can trust you and that you'll be helpful, but, as I've said before, the mafia would not want such a person alive. And the "mafia would never do this" defense really isn't working for me, because I can't imagine anyone playing like this under any circumstances. Your insistence on clearing yourself to the town while avoiding nightkills by the mafia just isn't true. Either you lay low and the mafia see no reason to spend a night killing you, or you play well enough as a pseudo-townie that you put a target on your back for the mafia.

My vote stands, as Visor hasn't convinced me and, while some others seem a little strange to me (GH and Monty stand out), no one even begins to reach Visor's level.

The mafia don't want me alive so you're voting me

good look there

if play well enough there might be a target on my back, I can accept that

but thats the way the cookie crumbles