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[Montmorency]

Vote: GH

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: GH

Why?

[Montmorency]

No reason.

Unvote; Vote: khaan

[landlubber]

I'm confused by Monty so far, I'm not quite sure what he's thinking. It seems like he's somewhat overeager to vote for people who have already been accused by someone else. Could be an attempt to lay low and avoid saying something potentially incriminating.

I'm also puzzled by Winston's switching from Visor to GH and then back to Visor. With or without Winston's vote, Visor would have been lynched, and it meant abandoning his vote on GH, which had some merit. Why?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm also puzzled by Winston's switching from Visor to GH and then back to Visor. With or without Winston's vote, Visor would have been lynched, and it meant abandoning his vote on GH, which had some merit. Why?

I didn't see any chance of GH getting lynched and, by that point in the day, figured it was best just to make sure the Visor lynch was locked down. Even though it was clear by then that he really was telling the truth, lynching Visor was a far better outcome than lynching a townie, which was the most likely alternative.

For the time being, I'm going to go with vote: GH once again. As I said yesterday, his private dealings with Visor are deeply suspicious to me, and I still fail to see how his original accusation could possibly have trapped a scumbag, making the characterisation he gave of it seem quite implausible.

That said, I'm interested to hear Csargo's reasons for the same vote, which must presumably be different to mine (or else he would have said so, right?).

[johnhughthom]

I don't think there is much point looking to deeply at yesterday's voting, it was clear early on, pretty much from his roleclaim tbh, that Visor was going to be lynched. Scum had plenty of time to decide whether popping an easy vote on him to hide with the crowd, or putting a vote somewhere meaningless was the least conspicuous route.

[GeneralHankerchief]

"Private dealings"

Here's the extent of my communication with Visorslash from the first day phase:

I'm not keeping my vote on you long-term, just fishing for responses.

GH

Aye I'm sure. You're too good of a player to actually think I'm scum here lol.

Maybe in the past. Don't think that's still the case. But yeah, logically it just doesn't make sense. Probably.

Time to get trollier with my logic.

Honestly I thought we had put the issue of Visor's identity to bed when it was revealed yesterday, but apparently not.

[Csargo]

What was the point? I don't understand at all.

[Winston Hughes]

But, GH, why tell him you weren't planning keeping your vote on him?

I'm struggling to think of a townie reason for doing so. By contrast, it's obvious why scum might want to cozy up to him.

Also, this 'fishing for responses' thing... People were always going to react to Visor's claim. It was the only thing anyone had to talk about. It's notable that the rest of us who pushed on Visor all provoked a response (indeed, I think every one of us caught a vote as a direct consequence), but your accusation got nothing at all until you retracted it. Looking back, it's not hard to see why. Far from demanding a reaction, your accusation was so hedged it would be hard to pick any solid point to address from it. At the time, it looked townie enough. But that's the idea, isn't it? Only when you tell me it's supposed to be provocative does it stop making sense.

[seireikhaan]

Why?

No reason. Unvote;

Hmm.... let's test this. FOR SCIENCE!

Vote: khaan

Why?

[Montmorency]

For one, khaan is definitely scum. This will become clearer over the course of the day.

Well landlubber, I was the first to seriously vote Visor, and khaan is in the top 5 for least-pressured players so far - as are you and I.

[Ishmael]

It looks like Montmorency is doing his usual shtick, so I can't really deduce much from him yet. landlubber has also continued in much the same vein as yesterday, and given that I thought he was leaning town then I see no reason to change my mind yet. I somewhat agree with Montmorency that 'khaan is worth keeping an eye on, since he (and GH, actually) is coming off as confident and relaxed in his posting, and that makes me nervous.

And of course, I then find myself agreeing with GH and 'khaan in finding BSmith to be suspicious for the combination of hedging his bets, seemingly trying to actively give off a vibe of 'townie analysis,' and the highly defensive OMGUS vote in response to pressure.

Dammit Visor. You are making me actually think on D1. Why can’t this just be a lazy random vote day?!

I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt for now, though I agree completely with Winston that you would be more than capable of pulling off the WIFOM ploy precisely because it would not be the boring approach.

To give an example, this post in particular came off rather strongly as positioning himself against the Visorslash wagon whilst still giving himself room to lynch Visorslash later on should he survive D1. Also:

Absolutely. There is much more discussion than there otherwise would have been, which on balance is a positive thing. If Visor does backtrack into that defense, then I would be much more willing to vote for him.


Indeed, which is why I haven’t voted for anyone yet. I am tempted to vote for someone that took the knee-jerk “let’s vote Visor because ‘reasons’” path, but I have yet to have any one poster stick out as manipulating that very obvious response. No one has completely ignored Visor either, which would be another thing to pick on.

Again, this comes off as somebody very deliberately trying to keep their options open.

So, for want of anything better:

vote: BSmith

[BSmith]

1. I was keeping my options open because I didn't like any of the ones in front of me.
2. OMGUS is not the scumtell it used to be. I would certainly avoid it if I were actual scum simply because of the knee-jerk reaction it tends to provoke.
3. I really do like my vote: khaan and think I will do it again.
4. I am posting from my phone.



:p

[El Barto]

I'll have to be somewhere on Caturday IRL so I've moved the deadline forward by a couple hours.

Time remaining:

[landlubber]

GH's constant undermining of his skill is hard for me to get my head around. Most of us, like GH, played many games several years ago. Myself, I hadn't played a mafia game since 2011 until this one. You're still a good player, and yet you never admitted to messaging Visor until he revealed it. That's worrying to me.

OMGUS is not the scumtell it used to be. I would certainly avoid it if I were actual scum simply because of the knee-jerk reaction it tends to provoke.

This, though... I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but it sounds like, "OMGUS isn't a scumtell, but it would make people think I'm scum." That's pseudo-logic. I'm not buying it.
Vote:BSmith

[Winston Hughes]

@BSmith

You gave me townie vibes on D1, and I buy your line on the OMGUS thing. But today's contribution has been lacking. The way things are going, you're getting lynched sooner or later, and if you don't start putting yourself about a bit more, then we're not going to learn much from your death.

[Winston Hughes]

For one, khaan is definitely scum. This will become clearer over the course of the day.

So, is there anything of substance here? If I was going to switch from GH to someone else, it'd be a toss up between you and the guy you're accusing.