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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    What the heck is a "Very gentle vote"? He voted visor immediately after the reveal. Starting a possible bandwagon is neither gentle, nor a place that doesn't generate suspicion. If it didn't generate suspicion, why are you so suspicious of it?
    But it didn't generate any suspicion until he retracted it and made the 'fishing' claim, and even then it was only from me, with Csargo eventually joining me. Nobody else seems to have had any suspicions about him. And I'm not at all surprised. Posting the first vote on Visor was never likely to draw suspicion, especially when couched in the half-jokey, half-confused terms that GH used. And, as we saw, it was an accusation with a preplanned excuse behind it, the only problem being that, if you look at it with any kind of critical eye, the excuse doesn't actually fit the accusation.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    For which you have also failed to provide a mafia justification- rather, you are simply parroting "he talked in private, that is bad". Wanting not to be lynched is an admirable quality of townies as well.
    Cosying up to third parties whilst posting 'fishing' accusations with no bait and a ready-made excuse at the ready is not even close to townie play in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    He was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-visor lynch... when GH lodged the first vote of anyone to him. Right.
    I'd already given BSmith a nudge that he needed to come out more decisive. I could see it was going to get him lynched, sooner or later, but I also recognised that it probably meant he was town.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    So let me get this straight. You think GH, as a mafia, sent a PM to someone who he would know is innocent, saying he was fishing and would switch later... which is exactly what he did. What exactly does a mafioso gain from putting himself out like that on day 1? How bad at this game do you think GH is?
    I don't think he's bad. I think he's very good, and has managed to fool nearly everyone here into giving him a free pass, despite the fact that he's not making any real effort to find the villains.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    And I think you confuse "concise" with "hedged". Hedged is what Bsmith was doing(and why he got lynched). One does not need a Pizzaguy thesis to fish.
    No, but one needs something substantive or provocative to act as bait. GH's accusation of Visor has nothing for a passing fish to go for, bar the sheer fact of the vote. And, let's be clear, posting the first vote on someone who's absolutely guaranteed to catch votes is the very opposite of provocative. It's the single best place to hide.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    You want scumhunting, I suggest you try it. Instead of basing your argument on "did x, x is bad because reasons", try basing it on experiences.
    In my experience, optimal scum play is entirely situational - the key thing is to tailor it to the audience. And I can quite believe that that's what GH has been doing here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody but me is voting for him, even though last night's kill has picked him as suspect once again this morning.

    Indeed, seeing the Csargo kill, I bet most people's first thought was 'GH wouldn't be crazy enough to implicate himself like that'. Any notion of the kill implicating him is so bound up in WIFOM that it actually ends up making his lynch less likely. For that reason, whilst it can't be taken as any evidence of GH's guilt, the Csargo kill would be evidence of skilled play on the part of ScumGH.

    Anyhow, that's me done for the day. Best guess, I'm probably getting lynched here. If GH really is scum, then I seem to have made a right old mess of this. I don't know why, but my town game seems to work fine everywhere else I play, but here at the org it just falls flat. Still, it's been fun, especially these last exchanges with khaan, so thanks for that.

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    Morning everybody. Fun little argument to wake up to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post
    In my experience, optimal scum play is entirely situational - the key thing is to tailor it to the audience. And I can quite believe that that's what GH has been doing here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody but me is voting for him, even though last night's kill has picked him as suspect once again this morning.

    Indeed, seeing the Csargo kill, I bet most people's first thought was 'GH wouldn't be crazy enough to implicate himself like that'. Any notion of the kill implicating him is so bound up in WIFOM that it actually ends up making his lynch less likely. For that reason, whilst it can't be taken as any evidence of GH's guilt, the Csargo kill would be evidence of skilled play on the part of ScumGH.
    Right now I think you've caught a bad case of confirmation bias. Take a step back, look at it from other angles, because you're twisting everything that's happened to suit your version of a story. For example, I wasn't aware that arguing for a lynch based off who was or wasn't killed was still in style.

    Or it could be because you're a mafioso and feel "committed" to the cause of my lynch. I know I've certainly had that happen before, where I haven't been able to back down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by landlubber View Post
    I remember you being the quiet type, so I'm not all that surprised, but I really thought you'd have suspicions on someone, anyone. We've got a lot to work with here. Still, I don't have very good reason to think JHT scum, and I'd like to think he'd put up more of a fight as mafia.
    But if I posted more to defend myself when mafia, surely that would be a very obvious scumtell?

    FWIW, Winston seems to be pushing his very flimsy case very strongly. Scum don't do that.

    Often.

    I'm going to stick with my Vote: Monty

  4. #184

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    Well whadda ye know, I'm back before EOD. Been drinkin' Kwak for nine hours, though, so the coherence forecast is on the bleak side...

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    Alright, here's my perspective on things:

    To me, landlubber seems almost certainly town, which I suspect is not a particularly controversial sentiment. However, after him I'd consider GH to be the least scummy. I feel like his PMing Visorslash doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment, but his posts since make me think he is town, and I don't find his townie explanation for the message to be particularly implausible.

    Of the remainder, I've done a complete 180 with respect to Winston since D1 - he's giving me similar vibes of townie analysis to landlubber. jht, I...have absolutely nothing on. Montmorency feels a little off to me, but I acknowledge that I might be a little biased here due to his attack on me. Finally, 'khaan, who I've been at least a little suspicious of for the whole game, and who I probably would have ended up voting for today. Unfortunately he had to go and post a highly convincing argument against Winston that was nearly enough to change my mind on him, and at any rate lowered 'khaan on my mafia scale a bit.

    tl;dr: Montmorency and sereikhaan are the two people I find individually most suspicious (with jht taking third essentially by default).

    vote: Montmorency

    Partly because he's the most scummy of the contenders, and partly because I want to see how the votes move in a tiebreaker round.

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    Clearly I'm barking up the wrong tree with GH. Everyone thinks he's cool, so I must be wrong.

    Monty PM'd me to tell me to vote for Ishmael. No idea what to make of that.

    I wish I was sober right now.

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    Aaaaand Ishmael is snuggling me towards a Monty vote.

    Full bore paranoia here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post
    Clearly I'm barking up the wrong tree with GH. Everyone thinks he's cool, so I must be wrong.

    Monty PM'd me to tell me to vote for Ishmael. No idea what to make of that.

    I wish I was sober right now.

    That actually sounds worryingly like town Monty.

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    Bottom line is that Ishmael has explained himself, whilst Monty has been Mr Taciturn. Neither has boomed scummy vibes to me. And with no idea of the meta for either, I'm left only with first principles, which would mean a Monty vote...

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    I think it's GH and john. I'm too drunk for logic or wifom or whatever. My gut tells me they're scummyscumscumscum.

  11. #191

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael
    Vote: Montmorency

    Partly because he's the most scummy of the contenders, and partly because I want to see how the votes move in a tiebreaker round.
    Starting a three-way tie this way sounds like something I would do as a power-role.

    It is clear that one of Ishmael and Khan is scum, but I still can't place them as partners.

    My dastardly last-minute tiebreaker will have to tell the tale.
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  12. #192

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    That actually sounds worryingly like town Monty.
    If you're scum, that's a very neat response. Really ballsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    It is clear that one of Ishmael and Khan is scum
    I really wish I knew why you think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Starting a three-way tie this way sounds like something I would do as a power-role.

    It is clear that one of Ishmael and Khan is scum, but I still can't place them as partners.

    My dastardly last-minute tiebreaker will have to tell the tale.
    I could agree to a compromise vote on 'khaan. I feel much the same way about he and you.

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    Yeah, I could go with that. On reread, I'm not seeing much townie there. Plenty of words, but not a lot of sticking his neck out.

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    Well, then:

    unvote; vote: seireikhaan

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    Yeah...

    unvote; vote: khaan

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    And now the paranoia. Just how good is Monty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post
    Yeah, I could go with that. On reread, I'm not seeing much townie there. Plenty of words, but not a lot of sticking his neck out.


    Yes, that's precisely why I picked a fight over your lackluster logic that you kept haranguing about over GH. Oh, wait, the one you apparently don't actually believe in that much after all. I definitely would go and pick a pointless fight over someone that's not me as mafia. That's definitely not pointless and risky when I could just let y'all lynch someone that isn't me.
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    You really still think I'm scum? Nah, not buying it.

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    It's Ishmael and landlubber then, crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    It's Ishmael and landlubber then, crap.
    I'm really enjoying this.

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    Default Re: I'm hosting a game!

    But landlubber voted Ishmael early on in the round...
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    NO REGRETS

    Unvote: Winston
    Vote: Monty


    CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    I am loving this phase end.

    At least until somebody switches a vote on to me in the next minute. Then I won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    NO REGRETS

    Unvote: Winston
    Vote: Monty


    CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS
    So tempting...

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    Nothing personal, Monty, but me dying is a poor investment for the town.

    Unvote: Winston
    Vote: Monty

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    Well, that's eye-opening.
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    Uh oh. That's not so tempting. It's happening again, isn't it Visor?

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    Surely it couldn't actually be GH and 'khaan.

    Right?

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