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[seireikhaan]

Explain to me why a mafia wants to contact someone on day 1 who has claimed a role with no power that is not aligned with them.(the original crux of winston's argument, of which you are apparently basing *your* case).

Explain to me why GH saving someone he thinks is innocent at the expense of someone he thinks is less likely to be innocent is scummy.

If we assume GH to be mafia, explain to me why he would create a potentially suspicious, last minute vote switch that would highlight himself when he was not one of the people under threat.

Explain to me why me not laying over to die and give the mafia a free town kill is bad.

Explain to me why GH, as a mafioso with one theoretical partner left at most would call out the remaining players to make sure the mob lynch comes in to lynch us.

edit: tomorrow it is

[landlubber]

Explain to me why a mafia wants to contact someone on day 1 who has claimed a role with no power that is not aligned with them.(the original crux of winston's argument, of which you are apparently basing *your* case).

Explain to me why GH saving someone he thinks is innocent at the expense of someone he thinks is less likely to be innocent is scummy.

If we assume GH to be mafia, explain to me why he would create a potentially suspicious, last minute vote switch that would highlight himself when he was not one of the people under threat.

Explain to me why me not laying over to die and give the mafia a free town kill is bad.

Explain to me why GH, as a mafioso with one theoretical partner left at most would call out the remaining players to make sure the mob lynch comes in to lynch us.

1. First off, my case is at post 257, and I rely on way more than just the PM. I made my own argument. The way the PM was crafted allowed GH to test Visor's reaction, see why he thought the mafia would leave him alone, establish basic contact with Visor, etc. all while not revealing anything of his own alignment. Assuming that GH is mafia, he backed away from the PM after someone latched onto it, using rustiness as a crutch. If he's town, he was probably rattled by people finding suspicion in what he saw as nothing more than a friendly townie-to-pseudotownie greeting.

2. I'm always suspicious of private coordination, especially in games without masons or cops or anything else that would explicitly build a network. The Monty lynch was incredibly clandestine-- it was hard for me to tell that GH was voting for your benefit at all, given how messy everything got. It's also worth noting that I found your vote on Monty to be more scummy, hence my original vote for you. I thought Monty's actions that day were a pretty clear indicator of innocence (I said before his lynch he had been very helpful and acknowledged that my thinking on him, i.e. that he was a bit erratic, had changed). I had a hard time believing that he thought Monty was actually guilty. I still do, to be honest, but it makes more sense given that he counts you as an all-but-revealed townie.

3. That play makes sense if you're his partner and he wants to save you, does it not? ScumKhaan is in trouble, ScumGH can change the lynch, ScumGH does, ScumGH and ScumKhaan later say they've been in communication the whole game and think each other innocent.

4. No worse than lynching another townie. To me, it was pretty clear that Monty deserved to live. Like I said before, you basically guaranteed that you would attract a lot of attention the next round, which, as you know, is LyLo. It's just not my style as town (if you had died, we would probably be focusing on Ishmael and JHT, who I'm feeling less and less positive about the more I talk to you two), but that doesn't mean it's not yours, I suppose.

5. Could be a lot of reasons. Maybe one of them is his partner, which would guarantee another vote on me. Maybe he was confident that he could maintain control of the discussion, keep them on the defensive. Maybe he thinks that JHT, Ishmael, and me won't be able to agree on a lynch and I'll be lynched anyway. It's not all that unreasonable.

[Winston Hughes]

It's the Clay and Billy show!

[Ishmael]

Vote: landlubber

I'm about 95% certain it's him.

Yes, you're going to ask me to back that up.

Yes, I can back that up.

No, I'm not going to back that up.

No, I'm not going to tell you why.

Just vote landlubber.

GeneralHankerchief, would you please back that up?

You're not going to back it up?

Okay, then.

vote: seireikhaan

Now, let me make it clear that I am not voting for 'khaan because of his late vote change yesterday. Whilst it does seem that scum pull such a move disproportionately more often, I accept that this does not necessarily imply causation and that in theory, at a basic level, it's a neutral move. I just want to head this off at the pass before we have another page's worth of discussion on it.

[seireikhaan]

GeneralHankerchief, would you please back that up?

You're not going to back it up?

Okay, then.

vote: seireikhaan

Now, let me make it clear that I am not voting for 'khaan because of his late vote change yesterday. Whilst it does seem that scum pull such a move disproportionately more often, I accept that this does not necessarily imply causation and that in theory, at a basic level, it's a neutral move. I just want to head this off at the pass before we have another page's worth of discussion on it.

Ishmael, would you please back that up?

You're not going to back it up?

Okay, then.

[johnhughthom]

Well, that's been an interesting morning, expected to come in and vote for GH or 'khaan, whoever had more votes, but we're going to let them away with yesterday? Okay. Interesting.

vote: khaan

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: lubber
Vote: abstain

Pending reread in a few hours. I really don't like the last set of posts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, that's been an interesting morning, expected to come in and vote for GH or 'khaan, whoever had more votes, but we're going to let them away with yesterday? Okay. Interesting.

vote: khaan

So your plan was to latch on to whichever one of us looked more likely to be lynched? There's only one possible explanation that doesn't incriminate you, I'm interested in hearing what it is.