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[landlubber]

it was clearly made for your (lubber's) benefit.

Sure, maybe it was. Maybe he's coddling me, trying to sway me with camaraderie. I'm not gonna lie, I respond to kindness. At this stage in the game, though, I have more faith in him than I do in you. You had begun to convince me by the end of last night, but you really lost me after all the metagame stuff. I don't have time to worry about that, I really don't, and I don't buy that you two went after Winston for the sake of the metagame.

Also, lubber, if you truly believe that khaan is mafia, then you need to assign him a scum partner. I'm assuming that's me, right? Do you have full confidence in us both being scum? Because if you don't, then you need to look elsewhere.

We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Maybe JHT? Could be that Khaan asked him to lay low so that they both wouldn't be accusing everyone but each other. I don't believe you're mafia-- the metagame thing explains your motivations behind this game perfectly. It is worth noting, though, that I don't have full confidence about any pair of mafiosi. I'll probably be surprised no matter how this game turns out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Maybe JHT? Could be that Khaan asked him to lay low so that they both wouldn't be accusing everyone but each other. I don't believe you're mafia-- the metagame thing explains your motivations behind this game perfectly. It is worth noting, though, that I don't have full confidence about any pair of mafiosi. I'll probably be surprised no matter how this game turns out.

No, we need to cross this bridge right now. As you mentioned in the above post, we don't have time to do otherwise. If JHT is your proposed partner for khaan, fine, but you need to be clear about it and more importantly, you need to be certain about it. You can't say "khaan is definitely mafia oh and maybe john is his partner i hope". At this point in the game we need them both.

I'd also like to clear something up about my metagame post. That should not be construed as the crux of my argument against Ishmael or anyone else in this game. The only lens that it should be viewed through is the lens of a defense and explanation of my actions, some of which I freely admit were questionable, during the game. The only reason that I went after Winston is because khaan and I sniffed out a behavior he had in the thread that we had both personally used as mafia in the past. That's metagaming, but it's the kind of metagaming everyone does - scumhunting.

[landlubber]

You can't say "khaan is definitely mafia oh and maybe john is his partner i hope".

Indeed, and I haven't thought for sure that Khaan was mafia for most of this phase. I'm deeply unsure about who's mafia and who's not. I realize that that's not what anyone wants to hear from me right now, but it's the truth.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I fully expect Ishmael to post a defense regardless of your availability for the rest of the phase, but I find it interesting that he chose to further his attack on khaan in his limited time as opposed to defending himself. If we assume that there's two scum left and they win if the town lynches wrong tonight, mafia can afford to play it differently from the town. Ishmael went really gunning for the killshot knowing that he had the opportunity to end it this day phase. Even if he failed, his partner still has a chance to turn it around tomorrow. Meanwhile, if Ishmael was townie, he knows that if he dies, it's game over. I think natural instinct as townie, keeping in mind the scenario, would fall towards defending yourself first.

In any case, I recognize that this has been a rather intense day phase, and if any of my arguments got too barbed or personal or what have you, please accept my apologies as this was not my intention. I just really got into the game for the first time in a very long time and wanted to go out there and kick some butt.

[landlubber]

In any case, I recognize that this has been a rather intense day phase, and if any of my arguments got too barbed or personal or what have you, please accept my apologies as this was not my intention. I just really got into the game for the first time in a very long time and wanted to go out there and kick some butt.

Eh, you did what you had to do to win. If you're town, I owe you big time, because I was ready to write us off, vote for Khaan, and ignore the thread. If you're mafia, you deserve the win. No ill will.

[seireikhaan]

In any case, I recognize that this has been a rather intense day phase, and if any of my arguments got too barbed or personal or what have you, please accept my apologies as this was not my intention. I just really got into the game for the first time in a very long time and wanted to go out there and kick some butt.

This for me as well. I apologize for my brazen conduct. If I'd been moderator, I would've likely given myself a thwack with the warning stick. I allowed my exasperation and adrenaline to get the best of me, which I should be better than. Regardless of the game, my apologies, landlubber.