IMMIGRATION thread

[Viking]

What exactly is racism to you?

Being prejudiced based on biology. If you don't want to let people with IQ less than a certain threshold into the country; then you should give applicants IQ tests, not look at their pigmentation levels (and if you are really worried about IQ levels, then you should also test ethnic Swedes and expel those with low scores).

With that said however, I wouldn't ever get a Chihuahua, because they are less intelligent, they take WAY more training before they stop pooping indoors, and they bark at the mailman even though he is just doing his job.

But then you would have to prove it. Given that our knowledge of human biology is at a premature stage, this likely not possible for the moment. All kinds of factors can influence how people end up - whether things like aggressiveness or intelligence. Nutrition could influence, education could influence; and effects could accumulate over generations. Until we can provide decent estimates on how people are going to behave solely from DNA, the case for linking behaviour with biological ethnicity will be weak, because the possible contributing factors will be hard to separate.

If two populations largely live segregated, then the non-biological factors can vary a lot between the two populations. If they do not live segregated, then they would likely interbreed and soon there would no longer exist two separate populations to study. So that's why you want to understand the DNA if you want to get to the bottom of it.

[Fragony]

Wouldn't three generations getting the same chances eliminate most considerations if you put it like that? Not trying to be an ass but people from some regions do really badly, why dismiss what should be a consideration. I will just admit that I am a racist, I believe there are differences, good or bad. If you get dropped in the middle of Australia, you die. Aboriginals wont, they won't be depleted in a few hours. You would probably do better at getting a master's degree though.

[Kadagar_AV]

Being prejudiced based on biology. If you don't want to let people with IQ less than a certain threshold into the country; then you should give applicants IQ tests, not look at their pigmentation levels (and if you are really worried about IQ levels, then you should also test ethnic Swedes and expel those with low scores).



But then you would have to prove it. Given that our knowledge of human biology is at a premature stage, this likely not possible for the moment. All kinds of factors can influence how people end up - whether things like aggressiveness or intelligence. Nutrition could influence, education could influence; and effects could accumulate over generations. Until we can provide decent estimates on how people are going to behave solely from DNA, the case for linking behaviour with biological ethnicity will be weak, because the possible contributing factors will be hard to separate.

If two populations largely live segregated, then the non-biological factors can vary a lot between the two populations. If they do not live segregated, then they would likely interbreed and soon there would no longer exist two separate populations to study. So that's why you want to understand the DNA if you want to get to the bottom of it.

Oh my...

Sorry mate, that still sounds brainwashed, and have no resemblance to facts.

First of all, I am not - to take an example, saying everyone in Japan is intelligent. What I am saying is that if we take in loads of people from Japan to - say - Sweden, school results are likely to go up.

That is not even prejudice, it's fact. Hey, I even heard that in the USA, students are told to "keep down" their asianess if they want to get into uni, as there are so many asians there and the unis try to run race-programs to make society more "equal" for the blacks.

Not that I would ever get why it's better to have a less qualified black doctor, than a more qualified asian one. But oooooooh the logical missteps we have to take to be good persons in this new multicultural world.


How the HELL can you from anything I have written drawn the conclusion that I would in any way support expelling Swedes below a certain IQ score? Are you on drugs? That sounds like one of the most dystopian fantasies I have ever heard, and you try to put that thought on me?

That's insulting, and I look forward to you saying "I am sorry".



AND LOL, do you actually live in a world, where if you wanted a guard dog, you would not be able to see any difference between dog breeds, as DNA can't prove who would be the most adequate?




Heck, I don't even HAVE to get into biological reasons as to why I don't want Arabs and Africans around me, except on vacation.



It is simply because since we started letting them in, in massive ways, we have riots, attacks against the police, women are no longer safe, librarians need security guards, the free word is threatened by religious fantasies, our ambulance need police escort to go into the areas where the darker skinned people dwell...



And this is in a country where they get several hundred dollars, or several hundred euros, a month, from the state - for free.

While also having full access to the whole wellfare society with medicine, pensions, child care, education....

Yeah, education.... Don't get me STARTED on the effects having African instead of Swedish kids have on the education...




DAMN MAN, have you taught African kids much? I have, and it's an absolute HORROR.

I remember this guy - 12 years old - who I actually had to go down to the level of:

HERE are 2 (two) blocks.

THIS is 1 (one) block.

How many ONE blocks, can you fit into this TWO block opening here.



Between him, the Arab with weak Swedish, and the blind kid... There sure as HELL was not much time over for the other 27 kids in the classroom. YEY for living in a nation where anyone not agreeing to "every humans equal value" is a rotten racist.


It's still a success story though, as this kid 2 years later raped a girl in the school, and was forced out... So YEY, success, the class got rid of him. The girl is still traumatized for life, though. Of course.

[Kadagar_AV]

I would like to clarify one thing...

When I left teaching, the best student I had had was from Ethiopia.

My personal biggest success was this former Yugoslavian kid, who went from an ADHD-diagnose and criminality to, just this month, getting into university.

I personally just think I was the first teacher who asked him "is that the best you can do" when he handed stuff in, instead of taking it and grading it. But whatever, his dad sent me a big flower bouquet to celebrate. So I must have had some impact.

I have done my UTTERMOST to try to stop a female mutilation, only to be let down by the more accepting society around me. I actually thought about going over to the fathers house with a baseball bat, even.

But then, I decided it's better join politics and get to the root of the problems, than it is to put myself in jail.


Scream BLOODY RACIST all you want, I still won't see it, and the people who's life I touched, in my career of:

1. Educating in a resort where people come from all over the world.

2. Educating is schools with diverse cultures.

... Would all laugh if I was called racist.

YOU HAVE TO be able to separate how I act in my personal life, from what conclusions I draw from my life and the political MUCH larger processes at work.



A racist is for me, at least, someone who wouldn't offer their best shirt when a black guy is wounded...


That's not me, I am the guy saying schools results will continue to sink, and more girls will be raped, if we continue this madness we do in Sweden.

[Husar]

YOU HAVE TO be able to separate how I act in my personal life, from what conclusions I draw from my life and the political MUCH larger processes at work.

So you claim schizophrenia?

[Kadagar_AV]

So you claim schizophrenia?

Nope, but I am slightly worried about your reading comprehension.

[Montmorency]

Schizodoxy, actually. We've been over this.

[Kadagar_AV]

Schizodoxy, actually. We've been over this.

Yes, and it still isn't a word.

[Husar]

Nope, but I am slightly worried about your reading comprehension.

Were you not saying that you do not want these children in Sweden but you smiled at them and helped them as best as you could?
So you contribute to the multicultural society but when you go home you think it is a bad thing?

To me that sounds slightly schizophrenic. Or maybe you are just too afraid to let people outside the internet know what you really think, but that doesn't quite mix with your claim that you are always 100% honest and can't lie.

[Kadagar_AV]

Were you not saying that you do not want these children in Sweden but you smiled at them and helped them as best as you could?
So you contribute to the multicultural society but when you go home you think it is a bad thing?

To me that sounds slightly schizophrenic. Or maybe you are just too afraid to let people outside the internet know what you really think, but that doesn't quite mix with your claim that you are always 100% honest and can't lie.

Ah, I see where you got it wrong.



Can you tell the difference between:

* Doing your damned best to make something work, eventhough you at large are against it?

and

* Mental disorder.


EDIT: Also, that you have to DO your damned bestestest to make it even fictionally work - is a reason in and of itself as to why you would get the opinions you do?





People outside of the internet have known my exact position on this since 1994. I have never shied away from a discussion once.

Except with my grandparents, out of respect. They lived in a world where "refugees" were blonde cute little WWII escapees, not in a world where refugees are black/arabic Islamist men, by large. And as they were more bothered with things like cancer and shit, I just did my best for them and shut up :)

[Montmorency]

Defy my Latanatis, I dare thou!

Schizo = Split

Phren = Mind

Schizophrenia = Split Mind


Orthos = Straight, Correct

Doxa = Opinion

Orthodoxy = Correct Opinion


Schizodoxy = Split Opinion

Greek > Latin

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Were you not saying that you do not want these children in Sweden but you smiled at them and helped them as best as you could?
So you contribute to the multicultural society but when you go home you think it is a bad thing?

To me that sounds slightly schizophrenic. Or maybe you are just too afraid to let people outside the internet know what you really think, but that doesn't quite mix with your claim that you are always 100% honest and can't lie.

Or maybe he's actually a nice guy underneath it all?

Perhaps Kadagar has no problem with one traumatised African but takes exception to 1,000 at once?

There's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance, to be sure, but it's not unreasonable to see individuals as different to groups - one screwed up foreigner isn't likely to harm your country but thousands might - and currently are across much of Europe.