IMMIGRATION thread

[Montmorency]

if an employer gets wind of a rape allegation that employee is prone to being jettisoned just to make sure future developments cant damage the company.

And how does the employer get wind?

Could you explain what your problem with that is? Four posts later I still have no goddamned idea, nor why you are still going on about it.

My point is that police crime labs test rape kits, although if they're out of money they try to find ways to bill insurance providers, not test the kit, or just not collect materials for a kit at all. A rape kit itself is just some bags, sleeves, folders, cotton swabs, documents, and glass slides. There is no meaningful "free-market" component.

Not that any of this matters, if the FBI reports include rape the statistics Don Corleone used are too broad to be of use as I said earlier. If it doesnt include rape: it is fundamentally useless in determinining the existance of rape culture.

Rape is a subset of sexual assault. Figures given regarding rape are distinct from figures given regarding sexual assault. Here is an FBI link indicating that 74K rapes were "cleared", with a 40% clearance rate for reports, giving fewer than 200K reports for that year. "Clearance" is, crudely speaking, when a police department calls it 'case closed', whether or not an arrest is involved. This is to say nothing of charges filed, court sessions held (i.e. prosecutions), and finally, convictions or sentences laid down. What is absolutely clear is that the number of defendants contesting (usually among other) charges of rape is always in the low tens-of-thousands.

The real problems in assessing the issue come at many levels:

• Individual states have their own definitions of rape. Individual police departments have their own individual policies on how to handle reports and proceedings, which they may or may not follow depending on discretion.
• A couple of years ago, the federal government began to collect rape data where cases involved anal or vaginal penetration, or oral penetration with a sexual organ; the old standard was 'unwanted carnal relations with a woman'.
• The federal government always included cases of attempted and "incomplete" rape in rape figures.
• In other words, even the number of allegations of rapes within the legal system is incalculable at any level, regardless of what definitions one uses.
• Statutory rape is not usually included in rape statistics. It is often treated under sexual assault statutes, or as a lower degree of rape if rape is divided into degrees for a given state. Typically, fewer than a thousand individuals are convicted on a statutory rape charge in any given year.
• What is "consent"?

Here is an article touching on why all attempts to provide an estimate for "false reports" have been meaningless.

In essence, rape appears with striking rarity in the justice system, largely due to the complete inability to agree on epistemological or legal or procedural standards, due to the deeper philosophical questions around consent and the nature of law.

No, it's not rape, except yes it is" Which is it?

Ask the legal philosophers. Any answer is bound to have profound consequences for the wider role of consent in law, so be careful.

To make this simpler for you, here is the general direction of feminist agendas:

1. Libertarian emphasis on "consent" and "autonomy".
2. More stringent definition rape.
3. Conformity toward reevaluated conceptions of consent and rape as well as institutional support such that reporting is encouraged.
3. Cultural change away from beliefs and attitudes that lead individuals to fall afoul of the above.

Please try to understand on what grounds you contest feminist narratives. The idea that the narratives should be contested because accusations of rape are especially likely to be damaging, or spurious, or open to public discovery, is what we call an utter moron horseshit lie.