IMMIGRATION thread

[Gilrandir]

You're probably using Chrome.

Is it available in the UK? If it is, teach Greyblades how to use it.

[Greyblades]

I know how to use chrome, I just prefer firefox. Besides, google translate is spotty at best, if you want to be understood use english news sites.

[Pannonian]

I know how to use chrome, I just prefer firefox. Besides, google translate is spotty at best, if you want to be understood use english news sites.

Google Translate is accurate.

[Fragony]

Seems to be reluctantly accepted that it happened all over Germany and Scandinavia, everywhere where the little children the childless mutti reside. 12 were German but are they 'German' or German. Happy carnaval in advance in any case it will be great. Tip in advance for gutmensch, make the problem as broad as possible so you don't have to acknoweldge it, goes like this you start with 'but christians' after that insert [something that's pretty much true]. Works no. Take out your magic wand and cast racismus. A powerfull spell with a negative perk, it gets less effective each time you cast it against rationalitus.

[Husar]

Seems to be reluctantly accepted that it happened all over Germany and Scandinavia, everywhere where the little children the childless mutti reside. 12 were German but are they 'German' or German. Happy carnaval in advance in any case it will be great. Tip in advance for gutmensch, make the problem as broad as possible so you don't have to acknoweldge it, goes like this you start with 'but christians' after that insert [something that's pretty much true]. Works no. Take out your magic wand and cast racismus. A powerfull spell with a negative perk, it gets less effective each time you cast it against rationalitus.

Yeah, on that note:

http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschla...olence-germany
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germany-ref...ttacks-1538407
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6805531.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/12/eu...ants-tensions/

[Fragony]

The rug jusn't wasn't big enough, it's not that it wasn't tried to keep it as small as possible. Blogs were way ahead as usual. What anonoys me most is that suddenly north-africans are a problem, they had only a minor role. Problems for years nobody wants to talk about. Suddenly they do because the pc-crowd has a bigger problem they don't want to talk about.

[Sarmatian]

they had only a minor role.

Don't tell me. Social Networks?

[Fragony]

Don't tell me. Social Networks?

Does it matter what I tell you , you already made up your mind on what I am. Nothing I say will change that.

[Husar]

The rug jusn't wasn't big enough, it's not that it wasn't tried to keep it as small as possible. Blogs were way ahead as usual. What anonoys me most is that suddenly north-africans are a problem, they had only a minor role. Problems for years nobody wants to talk about. Suddenly they do because the pc-crowd has a bigger problem they don't want to talk about.

Because "es muss sein", the people you hate so much can never possibly get anything right.
There are plenty of north africans who come disguised as Syrians apparently, some even learn to speak with a syrian accent I heard.
What exactly annoys you about that? A north african robbed me once if you remember that, apparently they were a problem before already, politics hardly dealt with it for years because noone cared enough to do anything. Some say they can easily get in contact with established criminals to earn some money and hang out etc. How can that be a good thing?

[Gilrandir]

And Putin, as usual, puts some skin in the game:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-puti...fugees-1539027

[Fragony]

Because "es muss sein", the people you hate so much can never possibly get anything right.
There are plenty of north africans who come disguised as Syrians apparently, some even learn to speak with a syrian accent I heard.
What exactly annoys you about that? A north african robbed me once if you remember that, apparently they were a problem before already, politics hardly dealt with it for years because noone cared enough to do anything. Some say they can easily get in contact with established criminals to earn some money and hang out etc. How can that be a good thing?

I'll tell my north-african I hate them, but they won't believe me. Got any yourself?

Hooah was here for an evening, he doesn't know he was having drinks with two palestinians, he wouldn't have cared anyway

[Idaho]

English lessons used to be subsidised - but the Tory government cut the funding 6 years ago.

[Husar]

I'll tell my north-african I hate them, but they won't believe me. Got any yourself?

Hooah was here for an evening, he doesn't know he was having drinks with two palestinians, he wouldn't have cared anyway

http://worldwide-tax.com/china/china_tax.asp

[Fragony]

English lessons used to be subsidised - but the Tory government cut the funding 6 years ago.

Almost everyone has internet nowadays, if you want to learn English you can, even if you are chained to the radiator. So why subsidise it. Still think 22% isn't a disaster.

[Fragony]

http://worldwide-tax.com/china/china_tax.asp

I also hate Chinese tax now? Got a bit of a syntax error

[Idaho]

Almost everyone has internet nowadays, if you want to learn English you can, even if you are chained to the radiator. So why subsidise it. Still think 22% isn't a disaster.

That's a ridiculous comment. The kinds of people who can't speak english and live in the UK are the least likely to have internet access, technical know-how and the learning skills to self teach.

[Husar]

I also hate Chinese tax now? Got a bit of a syntax error

Oh come on....

http://rainforest-australia.com/fungi.htm

[Fragony]

That's a ridiculous comment. The kinds of people who can't speak english and live in the UK are the least likely to have internet access, technical know-how and the learning skills to self teach.

Multiple generation that could have learned English had they wanted to before subsidies were cut off, if I find money on the street I pick it up. They don't apparently. They do of course but you probably know what I mean. Can't blame the Tories for making budget cuts on something useless. Demands are much higher (and often unreasoable) here in the Neds if you want to become a Dutch citizen when you are from abroad.

[Fragony]

Oh come on....

http://rainforest-australia.com/fungi.htm

You love mushrooms? Figures. Another syntax-error chez Frag

[rory_20_uk]

That's a ridiculous comment. The kinds of people who can't speak english and live in the UK are the least likely to have internet access, technical know-how and the learning skills to self teach.

The two Eastern Europeans who helped move my furniture managed it. Assuming that others are not imbeciles and have access to the TV, or are able to find a library and the internet there I'm sure they'll cope.

This is of course assuming that they are so poor that paying for internet which starts at less than £5 a month is unthinkable.

Self teach??!? Schools and society teaches English - it takes effort to not learn a new language decade after decade, generation after generation. I've seen a video of a street urchin who can do a sales pitch in over 10 languages - as the incentive is you sell more to Russian tourists if you have the patter in Russian.

But there's always an excuse why people can't be expected to do anything for themselves.

[Sarmatian]

The two Eastern Europeans who helped move my furniture managed it. Assuming that others are not imbeciles and have access to the TV, or are able to find a library and the internet there I'm sure they'll cope.

It's not the same. It's easier to learn English if you already speak a Slavic language. It is even easier if you speak a Germanic language, and it is much harder to learn English if you speak Arabic.

It would take me much more time to learn Chinese then someone who already speaks Korean, for instance.

[Furunculus]

We should recognise an Islamist country somewhere which will be the default state that British Islamists will be assigned to when they're stripped of UK citizenship. Sort of like a modern version of transportation.

in addition to what FVH said, i dislike the notion that a british born citizen can have that citizenship revoked by the state. it is not the states to take away.

[Pannonian]

It's not the same. It's easier to learn English if you already speak a Slavic language. It is even easier if you speak a Germanic language, and it is much harder to learn English if you speak Arabic.

It would take me much more time to learn Chinese then someone who already speaks Korean, for instance.

It means they'll have to work harder at it. English is further removed from Chinese than from Arabic, but British people don't have much problems with Chinese migrants. Chinese speakers have to work harder at grasping the language than European language speakers, but the first step is adapting to the culture, and they have no problems with that.

[Pannonian]

in addition to what FVH said, i dislike the notion that a british born citizen can have that citizenship revoked by the state. it is not the states to take away.

They don't want to be British. AFAIK US citizenship requires the revocation of other citizenships, and the declaration of loyalty to the US rather than to outside states. We should go for that.

[Fragony]

They don't want to be British. AFAIK US citizenship requires the revocation of other citizenships, and the declaration of loyalty to the US rather than to outside states. We should go for that.

Too much to ask imho. Do as you please as long as it doesn't resonate the wrong way, just never impose anything on me and I am ok.

[Husar]

You love mushrooms? Figures. Another syntax-error chez Frag

Oh, no, not that, I was talking about those elusive people you claim love islamism, think ISIS are misunderstood teddy bears and sweep everything under the rug. Apparently they are so elusive that you assumed I was saying that you hate north-africans.

So why is it a terrible thing to say north africans who cheated to get here cause more problems statistically than people fleeing from the Syrian war?
Nobody is saying your north african is a criminal, they just seem to have a higher percentage who become criminals, it's not even a given that they arrive here as criminals. And according to your own words, people who are not from war zones should not flee here, is Morocco a war zone for you? Could you please explain something for once without using riddles about squirrels and muttis?

[Sarmatian]

They don't want to be British. AFAIK US citizenship requires the revocation of other citizenships, and the declaration of loyalty to the US rather than to outside states. We should go for that.

AFAIK, most European countries do have a similar procedure. You can have only one, unless the countries have special agreement allowing dual citizenship for their citizens.

The problem is that is practically impossible to enforce. You'd need to check and cross reference the entire population of the planet on a regular basis.

Not to mention the problem of someone being name Ahmed Maghrebi in UK, and أحمد المغربي
in Morroco. Or maybe he was transliterated as Achmed or Akhmed...

[Fragony]

The effects of mushrooms must come naturally to you, it doesn't make sense in any way

[Husar]

http://www.immigrationunitedstates.o...tizenship.html

As far as the U.S. is concerned most foreign aliens who become Americans can keep their original citizenship, however their country of origin may not allow double citizenship and they may have to give up their original citizenship. Therefore is very important to check with your country of birth if you can keep your citizenship when becoming American. It is important to consider the pros and cons about dual citizenship carefully before applying for U.S. citizenship.

Not quite, you are expected to swear loyalty to the US but you don't have to give up your former citizenship and can have double citizenship if your old country allows it.

Germany has relaxed the rules a bit, many Turkish people are allowed to keep dual citizenship and becoming a citizen of another EU country or Switzerland does not necessitate the loss of German citizenship anymore.

[Montmorency]

The effects of mushrooms must come naturally to you, it doesn't make sense in any way