This is just nonsense. Sorry.Originally Posted by Viking
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This is just nonsense. Sorry.
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Oh my...
I will just skip everything else and try to assist this individual. Nice guy as I am :)
Idaho, you have written a LOT of quite questionable content here... Would you mind re-starting this in a thread of your own, where you explain your world view?
I absolutely do not mean this as a diss, I am honestly interested in what you have to bring to the table, and right now it feels more like crumbs falling off of it..
So, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see a thread where you state your view on open immigration. That line of thought is raised here in Sweden a LOT, and I would love to actually have a sit-down with an honest representative :)
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I don't believe open immigration is always a sound policy. But what are the actual numbers on the current situation? How many people are moving from where to where? Why are they leaving their current countries, and why do they want to come to western europe?
My suspicion is that:
- There are legitimate reasons (humanitarian, political and economic) why they are leaving their countries
- Often the reasons are to do with western european nations being complicit in destabilizing their countries
- The current levels of migration are nothing unusual in historical terms
- The situation is being hyped up by politicians, news channels and newspapers to generate a story
- More immigration is happening in poorer countries where the impact is higher than in western europe
- Western europeans are merrily travelling/moving around the world and will reject any controls on this
- The wealthy are benefiting most from immigration, and yet are orchestrating the hate from working people against immigrants
There you go - some targets to shoot at.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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Aren't most of the immigrants young men looking for work, and not families fleeing persecution etc?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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Nah, the motivation is free money, they don't even bother to lie. Not all say that, but a lot do
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Many young Algerians try to leave Algeria for Europe by sea because they are...bored, apparently.
Risking death at sea to escape boredom"Our harragas don't leave the country because they are poor or jobless…. even if that's what they say," he wrote in Le Quotidien d'Oran, the daily paper from Algeria's second largest city. "They leave because here, in this country, their lives are pointless, there's no room to dream, and worst of all, there's no fun, no laughter, no kissing, and no colour."
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This is the problem. People basing opinions on opinions. Meaningless article.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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How would illegal immigrants get free money? Even as asylum seekers they get a bed, £17 a week in food vouchers and £10 cash for 3 years and are not permitted to work. If anyone wants to risk life and limb to live here in miserable and bored poverty, good luck to them.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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No, but I gather you want to have a monologue.
Too vague and generic to be meaningful - and out of context.
Some might. That would be their problem.- Western europeans are merrily travelling/moving around the world and will reject any controls on this
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Why would anyone care about your suspicions? Personally I will just shoot them down because I care about other members on this board.
Huh?- There are legitimate reasons (humanitarian, political and economic) why they are leaving their countries
Under what law is it OK to go to another country because of economic reasons?
Actually certain cultures are like GREAT at destabilizing their surroundings all on their own.- Often the reasons are to do with western european nations being complicit in destabilizing their countries
Russians took Swedes as slaves some hundred years ago... So because of that I shouldn't get a job, nor fight for my nations survival and well being.
Is that really an excuse in your reality?
We must have studied different classes then.- The current levels of migration are nothing unusual in historical terms
Last time we had this kind of immigration in Europe it lead to what is called the "Dark Age".
You know, because the Vandals and stuff...
What does "Vandal" today mean?
If you still have questions about this, I would recommend you to play this game called Rome TOTAL WAR Barbaric Invasion.
The problems are real. You might want to continue living in some la-la land, but the cold hard facts are that immigration from certain cultures are extremely problematic to include in a western society.- The situation is being hyped up by politicians, news channels and newspapers to generate a story
True, mainly because the neighbouring nations are close to the bad culture that created the fuss, both culturally and geographically speaking.- More immigration is happening in poorer countries where the impact is higher than in western europe
The correct answer to these issues is to hold the bad culture that made the fuss at arms length, but help them in any way we can when they humbly ask for help.
Importing the bad culture will NEVER be the answer to combat it.
Westerners have been proved to accept controls if it raise their survival chance... Check airport security.- Western europeans are merrily travelling/moving around the world and will reject any controls on this
And why do we have that type of airport security? Bad politicians for a start, of course...
But let's also remember it is because we let Arabs fly on our planes.
Conspiracy theory much?- The wealthy are benefiting most from immigration, and yet are orchestrating the hate from working people against immigrants
General hate against the wealthy?
NO ONE is a net winner from this immigration, rich dudes also have their daughter raped and their cars scratched... Difference is that they can afford the psychological help and car insurance. The damage is still done though.
I retract the point... SOMEONE is a winner from it... ISIS as an example... Right now we have several hundred "Swedish people" doing the usual nice Muslim thingy that ISIS does.
I'm so proud to pay taxes so that ISIS fighters can go back to Sweden to rest some before they have to go back and you know, make the world hell.
Fish in a barrel...There you go - some targets to shoot at.
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Dude, seriously? You're citing a Total War game as a legitimate source of information?
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Owww you get the point. Historically mentioning the barbarian invasion isn't that odd a thing to say, it was a gradual thing long before Rome fell, Rome had already drasticly changed because of immigrants settling. Tensions between Romans and immigrants were high. Sweden is taking in WAY too many immigrants, from the most backward places of the world, and ethnic Swedes just have to deal with it.Dude, seriously? You're citing a Total War game as a legitimate source of information?
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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I spoke of the initial stages of humankind development and all the nations (including the ones you bring into your example) are much later creations.
But if we discuss them, Inniut live in what refers to "cold climate regions" and the others have moved their from the north - the regions of moderate climate.
Watch The Lord of the Rings for a closer view at landscapes.
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In the end, Rome will fall - it always does.Dude, seriously? You're citing a Total War game as a legitimate source of information?
The only question is "Will I live to see it?" and it's pure arrogance to believe you won't, that you and your children are safe.
What we are witnessing is increasing mass migration at a time when our societies are militarily, economically and socially weak. We are vulnerable to external pressure, we are not equipped to absorb the sheer number of people flooding across our borders and our societies could collapse in a few decades if we are not careful. Our horizens have already contracted over the last fifty years, the US is the only remaining power in our cultural Bloc, first Germany and then France and Britain have fallen into what may be perpetual decay.
We hem and haw over this new Caliph but do little to stop him when a hundred years ago we would have flattened him on general principle for being a barbarian.
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Could have sworn we dont hem and haw because we can't do anything but because we don't care any more.
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Dude, seriously? You're citing a Total War game as a legitimate source of information?
From that long post of mine, where I more or less refuted each and every point you had made... Your only comment is that I mentioned a TW game on a TW forum?
It was more used to show your lack of understanding, than as a legitimate source, surely you must have got that?
You had written:
That is just plain wrong. You for some reason, political agenda or just lack of knowledge, try to normalize the MASSIVE immigration we are seeing.- The current levels of migration are nothing unusual in historical terms
Last we had even comparable numbers of immigration to Europe, it caused the fall of the first democratic(ish-prototype) empire, caused widespread degeneration, and generally resulted in what is called the "Dark Ages".
So, well, get your facts straight.
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To anyone who is against my idea to sink the damn boats in the harbour before they set out, and drag any boats we find back to Africa...
Today I heard there was some sort of new record, with 18 ships/boats needing help... The largest had around 350 people on board...
To those who dislike my ideas, what would your own answers be? It's easy to criticize ideas you know, but why don't you come up with something better?
The situation we have no is not good for ANYONE, not us in Europe, nor them in Africa.
Something needs to be done, and fast. Just look at Macedonia currently, Police and Military having to show shock grenades and shoot rubber bullets to try and control the tide of immigrants...
And yet it's not enough to stop them, thousands still make it through a day...
I mean, I get it, they want to live in the west. I also wouldn't want to live in Africa... But at some point you have to agree that only Africa can solve African problems. We should help them, sure.
But the solution is not to move the African population here.
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I wasn't the one you were replying to, that was Idaho. And besides that I just thought you made a silly comment, I wasn't trying to argue your point.
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De Facto the British Government controls Britain, and we vote for the government (indirectly) when we vote for MP's.
I know you refuse to exercise your democratic rights on principle, but that's another topic.
Actually, De Jure the Queen owns Britain and it's Her Majesty's Government, so Viking is essentially correct whichever way you slice it.
What we're talking about here though is collective responsibility, the British, Swedish, German etc. people have collective responsibility for their countries and governments and part of that is the right and responsibility to restrict entry to the same for the good of the people at large.
In crude terms we don't usually allow convicted child murderers into the country because it's bad for the people here.
You and I live in a city of, what? 140,000 people now, of which thousands are recent immigrants from the Middle East and Pakistan, and by recent I mean the last decade or so. Well, Germany is projected to have something like seven times the population of our city enter this year as refugees, to say nothing of the "normal" influx of immigrants.
This is not just an "administrative" problem it's mass migration of a kind not seen in centuries, it's the sort of movement of people you have during the Hunnic invasions that toppled the Roman Empire, or the 30 years war, the sort of events which are associated with cataclysmic change on the continent.
That probably sounds utterly absurd to you, but if you had asked Flavius Stilicho in 395AD if he believed the WRE could collapse within a half century he would have told you that Rome had stood for a thousand yours and would stand for a thousand more.
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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...7691439911212/
7*140,000 = 980,000 <> 750,000.
The article also mentions that it's largely because other European countries do not come up to their duties. Maybe if they were properly distributed there'd be fewer ghettos and less impact on individual countries. Oh and 750,000 asylum seekers * ~0.5 acceptance rate = 375,000 who actually need to be housed somewhere more permanent and 375,000 people who are sent back. Even easier if actually fairly distributed across Europe.
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Once again incorrect. Basic UK constitution lesson:
The country is ruled by the Crown, not the Queen. The Queen is a person, the Crown is a political construct. Neither the Queen nor the Crown "own" Britain. Britain is divided into lots of little chunks owned by landowners. Neither the Queen nor the Crown owns my house. Voting has no bearing whatsoever on ownership - you are both getting completely side-tracked and confused.
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We're just arguing because we know you're wrong.
The Queen and the Crown are only separate so that they don't have to technically re-hire all the civil servants when the monarch dies.
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