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    Default Re: One-stop Thread for Immigration & Migration

    The only fact (not opinion) that could be said to be in disagreement with what I've said is this, about Zawiya:

    Qaddafi’s forces commenced a massive counteroffensive on March 7. Within two days, government troops had retaken Ras Lanuf in the east, the biggest mountain town of Gharyan in the west, and Zawiya near the capital.
    Though as can bee seen in other sources, regime forces had attacked Zawiya much earlier than 7 March; like on 4 March when they even claimed to have retaken it:

    Libyan state television said the town had been retaken by pro-Gaddafi forces, although later reports spoke of "pockets of resistance".
    In other words, Zawiyah took several days to recapture.

    Ras Lanuf and Brega were previously captured by the rebels:

    Until now, armed but untrained fighters had managed to easily overthrow military garrisons in town after town: first Ajdabiya, then Brega, and finally Ras Lanuf, which no one expected would fall easily.
    So the regime lost Ajdabiya, Brega and Ras Lanuf quickly - and the rebels lost them quickly, too. There was symmetry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    You posted a list with the country of origin of the refugees in order to show that the civil war in Libya did not allow for more refugees to come to Europe as very few of them are from Libya.
    No, the point is that Syria is the number one producer of refugees, while Libya produces very few. People leaving through Libya would have the same reasons for leaving their home country without the war in Libya (with the possible exception of Mali, who ranks as number 16 - but those numbers might have dropped for this year). Evidently, Libyans feel more confident in staying in their home country than citizens of many other countries - including countries without war.


    Quote Originally Posted by HitWithThe5 View Post
    [...] the good Libyans who wanted non-violent change
    A trivially false dichotomy.
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