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    Default Re: The Issue of African illegal immigrants from Africa

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    This is just nonsense. Sorry.
    De Facto the British Government controls Britain, and we vote for the government (indirectly) when we vote for MP's.


    I know you refuse to exercise your democratic rights on principle, but that's another topic.

    Actually, De Jure the Queen owns Britain and it's Her Majesty's Government, so Viking is essentially correct whichever way you slice it.

    What we're talking about here though is collective responsibility, the British, Swedish, German etc. people have collective responsibility for their countries and governments and part of that is the right and responsibility to restrict entry to the same for the good of the people at large.

    In crude terms we don't usually allow convicted child murderers into the country because it's bad for the people here.

    You and I live in a city of, what? 140,000 people now, of which thousands are recent immigrants from the Middle East and Pakistan, and by recent I mean the last decade or so. Well, Germany is projected to have something like seven times the population of our city enter this year as refugees, to say nothing of the "normal" influx of immigrants.

    This is not just an "administrative" problem it's mass migration of a kind not seen in centuries, it's the sort of movement of people you have during the Hunnic invasions that toppled the Roman Empire, or the 30 years war, the sort of events which are associated with cataclysmic change on the continent.

    That probably sounds utterly absurd to you, but if you had asked Flavius Stilicho in 395AD if he believed the WRE could collapse within a half century he would have told you that Rome had stood for a thousand yours and would stand for a thousand more.
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    Default Re: The Issue of African illegal immigrants from Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    You and I live in a city of, what? 140,000 people now, of which thousands are recent immigrants from the Middle East and Pakistan, and by recent I mean the last decade or so. Well, Germany is projected to have something like seven times the population of our city enter this year as refugees, to say nothing of the "normal" influx of immigrants.
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...7691439911212/

    7*140,000 = 980,000 <> 750,000.

    The article also mentions that it's largely because other European countries do not come up to their duties. Maybe if they were properly distributed there'd be fewer ghettos and less impact on individual countries. Oh and 750,000 asylum seekers * ~0.5 acceptance rate = 375,000 who actually need to be housed somewhere more permanent and 375,000 people who are sent back. Even easier if actually fairly distributed across Europe.


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    Default Re: The Issue of African illegal immigrants from Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    De Facto the British Government controls Britain, and we vote for the government (indirectly) when we vote for MP's.


    I know you refuse to exercise your democratic rights on principle, but that's another topic.

    Actually, De Jure the Queen owns Britain and it's Her Majesty's Government, so Viking is essentially correct whichever way you slice it.
    Once again incorrect. Basic UK constitution lesson:

    The country is ruled by the Crown, not the Queen. The Queen is a person, the Crown is a political construct. Neither the Queen nor the Crown "own" Britain. Britain is divided into lots of little chunks owned by landowners. Neither the Queen nor the Crown owns my house. Voting has no bearing whatsoever on ownership - you are both getting completely side-tracked and confused.
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    Default Re: The Issue of African illegal immigrants from Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Once again incorrect. Basic UK constitution lesson:

    The country is ruled by the Crown, not the Queen. The Queen is a person, the Crown is a political construct. Neither the Queen nor the Crown "own" Britain. Britain is divided into lots of little chunks owned by landowners. Neither the Queen nor the Crown owns my house. Voting has no bearing whatsoever on ownership - you are both getting completely side-tracked and confused.
    We're just arguing because we know you're wrong.

    The Queen and the Crown are only separate so that they don't have to technically re-hire all the civil servants when the monarch dies.
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