IMMIGRATION thread

**Husar** · 09-07-2015, 15:16

Originally Posted by Fragony

From Germany, teacher was highly surprised by the footage of refugees ariving. She was in the same train. All cameramen filmed tne wagon with old people, women and children. Real refugees. The rest of the train was filled with healthy, well-dressed young males with the latest smartphones. Nobody filmed that.

How could she tell those were the latest smartphones? A lot of countries get used ones from richer countries or Chinese copies etc.
And yes, if you can afford to pay a smuggler thousands, a smartphone is probably a side-purchase. Not to forget that if the entire family or village can only afford to send one person to a better life after a really demanding journey, they usually won't spend all their money on the old grandmother with lung cancer...
You are aware that they will all be greeted by police once they leave the train and they all have to apply for asylum and go through an extensive checking process, right? This process can take quite a few months during which they live in the temporary shelters provided to them, get no money and are not allowed to work. They can choose food and other things from a budget lower than what an unemployed German gets and the government will buy and provide that. If their reasons for coming here are not believable and they cannot show actually being in danger, they are sent back. And by the way, how does a Syrian or an Afghan wearing a suit make his country more safe?
Your post seems full of fake "arguments" that are supposed to make people believe that they are not real refugees. Some of them may not be, but you can't say that based on their phone or their clothes.

**Fragony** · 09-07-2015, 16:02

I didn't say it, she did. The behaviour of the cameramen is much more interesting to me, they don't film the healthy young men with good clothes and smartphones. Make of it what you want.

Sidenote, smugglers admit that they do business with IS, IS comfirms this as well. About 4000 trained jihadi's have been crossed by now, most to Germany and Sweden which are easiest to get into. Want to get rich? Invest in fake Syrian passports, Turkey is the place to be if you want one. If you want an AK there thousands in circulation in Brussels they cost only 500 euro

**Husar** · 09-07-2015, 17:02

Originally Posted by Fragony

I didn't say it, she did. The behaviour of the cameramen is much more interesting to me, they don't film the healthy young men with good clothes and smartphones. Make of it what you want.

Sidenote, smugglers admit that they do business with IS, IS comfirms this as well. About 4000 trained jihadi's have been crossed by now, most to Germany and Sweden which are easiest to get into. Want to get rich? Invest in fake Syrian passports, Turkey is the place to be if you want one. If you want an AK there thousands in circulation in Brussels they cost only 500 euro

Well, maybe the cameramen do not want to support the narrative of the Nazis and the xenophobic who think having a smartphone makes you immune to bombs and bullets.

It's also good to know that the right of our citizens to bear arms is no longer restricted by high black market prices.
As for the jihadis, I welcome their colorful cultural explosions of course, it's just what I want in the spirit of Marx and humanity.

**Kadagar_AV** · 09-07-2015, 17:22

Originally Posted by Husar

Well, maybe the cameramen do not want to support the narrative of the Nazis and the xenophobic who think having a smartphone makes you immune to bombs and bullets.

It's also good to know that the right of our citizens to bear arms is no longer restricted by high black market prices.
As for the jihadis, I welcome their colorful cultural explosions of course, it's just what I want in the spirit of Marx and humanity.

Yeah, "narrative"...

Why is a narrative needed? What happened with journalists striving for objectivity - factually describing the truth they witness?

It really annoys me that media today usually have a pure political agenda.

**Fragony** · 09-07-2015, 18:33

Originally Posted by Husar

Well, maybe the cameramen do not want to support the narrative of the Nazis and the xenophobic who think having a smartphone makes you immune to bombs and bullets.

It's also good to know that the right of our citizens to bear arms is no longer restricted by high black market prices.
As for the jihadis, I welcome their colorful cultural explosions of course, it's just what I want in the spirit of Marx and humanity.

Xenophobic? Xenophilic would be a better word for those that simply aren't realistic. What is shown is not what is, pure agitprop to only show a few old people, wonen and children.

And do you think these AK's can be bought legally, there is an extensive network of illegal gun-trading, there are a LOT of illegal assault rifles that date from the war in former Yugaslavia.

**Kadagar_AV** · 09-08-2015, 02:30

Originally Posted by Fragony

Xenophobic? Xenophilic would be a better word for those that simply aren't realistic. What is shown is not what is, pure agitprop to only show a few old people, wonen and children.

And do you think these AK's can be bought legally, there is an extensive network of illegal gun-trading, there are a LOT of illegal assault rifles that date from the war in former Yugaslavia.

While I applaud your point, I must stress to say we still have no evidence of extraterrestrial contact mate ;)

They are all human. Just like a Chihuahua and a Tibetan Mastiff are both dogs :)

**Husar** · 09-08-2015, 03:57

Originally Posted by Fragony

And do you think these AK's can be bought legally, there is an extensive network of illegal gun-trading, there are a LOT of illegal assault rifles that date from the war in former Yugaslavia.

What about the word "black market" implies legally buying something?

**Kadagar_AV** · 09-08-2015, 04:11

Originally Posted by Husar

What about the word "black market" implies legally buying something?

Yeah, let us separate 2 things here:

1. What people are allowed to get.

2. What people can get.

Your reasoning is basically that drugs are illegal, that's why we have no drug problems around the world.

Whenever I discuss with people like you, I have to ask myself:

Do you build up some ability to pat yourself on the back, or are you seriously thinking your left hand meeting your right hand - is what is to be considered a high five?

If so, let's not get started on the sex life, shall we?

**Husar** · 09-08-2015, 07:41

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Yeah, let us separate 2 things here:

1. What people are allowed to get.

2. What people can get.

Your reasoning is basically that drugs are illegal, that's why we have no drug problems around the world.

Whenever I discuss with people like you, I have to ask myself:

Do you build up some ability to pat yourself on the back, or are you seriously thinking your left hand meeting your right hand - is what is to be considered a high five?

If so, let's not get started on the sex life, shall we?

How about you stop hallucinating and then we talk?