IMMIGRATION thread

[Kadagar_AV]

Careful with the words there.
As I said, that is the total number of asylum applicants, not just refugees from the Middle East.
Even I know that there are young African men who want to come here to become football players an millionaires.
These guys (who I agree do not qualify for asylum) are in there as well and would have to be removed from the statistics to be able to make a valid point about Syrian, Afghan and Iraqi refugees.

But even then one could also google for a second instead of just criticizing things after a superficial read and making assumptions that may not apply. UNHCR for example gives reasons why men or boys in particular may be more likely to flee from a conflict zone: http://www.unhcr.org/pages/4a6872836.html



Of course we can demand that they should resist and get killed at the hands of those militia instead, but then why fake concern about them dying in the Mediterranean? Or maybe we could tell them to just join Al Queda or their local warlord's militia instead of fighting them or fleeing from them. That way they are safe until they have to try to kill us. Oh right, they can also go to a dictatorship or stay in countries where they barely get enough food not to starve. What honest person wouldn't like to stay in the worst place possible?

*raises his hand*

*jumps up and down in the school bench*

I KNOW THIS ONE: It's because of a patriarchate society, isn't it???



YEY, not only did I score!! I did it on the winning side!!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Denmark has effective closed its border with Germany: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34203366

Why?

Because they want to get to Sweden.

first the bullying of Italy, then the brutalising of Greece, now this. The EU is falling apart.

[rvg]

Denmark has effective closed its border with Germany: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34203366

Bravo Denmark. They actually grew a pair and asserted their right to control who gets into their country and who doesn't. Still, the best permanent way of stopping the avalanche is to put the end to the gravy train of social welfare. Enough with the handholding and the handouts. Among the newcomers the industrious ones with the drive to succeed will succeed. Others will sink into the pits and to hell with them. I have zero respect, zero compassion and put zero value on the lives of able bodied men who come to a given country just so that they can sit on their asses and collect unemployment benefits. It's not a religious or a cultural thing: those men are a disgrace to the male gender regardless of their origin.

[Husar]

*raises his hand*

*jumps up and down in the school bench*

I KNOW THIS ONE: It's because of a patriarchate society, isn't it???

I quoted the relevant part below the link.

But yeah, as rvg says, if we turn our societies into patriarchate societies which are more like theirs, they may stop coming.

[Kadagar_AV]

I quoted the relevant part below the link.

But yeah, as rvg says, if we turn our societies into patriarchate societies which are more like theirs, they may stop coming.

And then we WIN!!

EDIT: Sarcasm.

[Kadagar_AV]

I quoted the relevant part below the link.

But yeah, as rvg says, if we turn our societies into patriarchate societies which are more like theirs, they may stop coming.

Addendum:

As to your last part referenced, as you referenced.:

What honest person wouldn't like to stay in the worst place possible?

A nationalist? A patriot? A clear thinking individual?

YOU as a German still seem to bear some weight of "white mans guilt". For quite understandable reasons, I might add. But really, get over it.

I've had family in the camps, I so totally have no Grudge towards contemporary Germany because of it. Why? Because That. Is. Not. Your. Fault.



Last I tracked, this is NOT the "end of history time" where we live forever happily ever after. This is where we jumpfart to the moon, but can not afford such travels anymore...

YEY for progression since the 1950's.

[Husar]

A nationalist? A patriot? A clear thinking individual?

I get the first two because they can be quite irrational, but you have to explain why it is clear thinking to stay in a rotten condition that you can hardly improve if you have alternatives? I wouldn't propose that to the CEO of a failing company if you actually want the job...

YOU as a German still seem to bear some weight of "white mans guilt". For quite understandable reasons, I might add. But really, get over it.

If this were a game about being wrong, you'd be really good at it. One time you complain that I make too many nazi references, and then I'm too afraid of being looked at as a nazi. People who are like that don't mention Hitler usually.

As for the moon thing, yeah, can't afford that so we plan Mars colonies and asteroid mining instead...

[Kadagar_AV]

I get the first two because they can be quite irrational, but you have to explain why it is clear thinking to stay in a rotten condition that you can hardly improve if you have alternatives? I wouldn't propose that to the CEO of a failing company if you actually want the job...

A rotten condition is having your nation invaded and your women mass-raped...

A rotten condition is when the damn AMBULANCE start to ask for strategical units.

For me personally, I don't exactly cherish that foreigners burned 16 of my neighbours cars the other week.

If this were a game about being wrong, you'd be really good at it.

You know, this is the UMPTENTH time you accuse me of losing discussions. Last real heart-to-heart we had ended with me posting "/Thread won", and there were no replies from you after that.

Wanna come at me, BRAH!! If so, stop nilly-willy and make a damn point.

One time you complain that I make too many nazi references, and then I'm too afraid of being looked at as a nazi. People who are like that don't mention Hitler usually.

No, it's not just "one time" I have argued with you about the non-existent third Reich!!

My point now, and as always, is that you, as a German, seem to have some flagellant trauma about it. Still, eventhough you actually have had nothing to do with it.

If I would command you to SIT, would you? My dog sure does, but what I am afraid is that you would too, without the deeper understanding between master/dog.

As for the moon thing, yeah, can't afford that so we plan Mars colonies and asteroid mining instead...

Yeah, not keeping up with science since the 1950's have you?

The people in the field, quite bright minds I might add, are like SCREAMING.

How's that Mars colony of yours coming of, btw? Feel like you won the argument?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I get the first two because they can be quite irrational, but you have to explain why it is clear thinking to stay in a rotten condition that you can hardly improve if you have alternatives? I wouldn't propose that to the CEO of a failing company if you actually want the job...



If this were a game about being wrong, you'd be really good at it. One time you complain that I make too many nazi references, and then I'm too afraid of being looked at as a nazi. People who are like that don't mention Hitler usually.

As for the moon thing, yeah, can't afford that so we plan Mars colonies and asteroid mining instead...

To be fair, Husar, I'm pretty sure it was me who accused you of making too many Nazi references.

Now, I realise that to you Kad and I may have blurred into a single entity but we're actually two separate people, and we probably disagree on as much as we agree.

I also complained about you being dismissive.

So.

[Husar]

To be fair, Husar, I'm pretty sure it was me who accused you of making too many Nazi references.

Because it's impossible that you both did?

I also complained about you being dismissive.

I used to be way too defensive until I figured I can just respond in kind at times. Makes some people angry though if you treat them the way they treat you.

[Kadagar_AV]

Because it's impossible that you both did?



I used to be way too defensive until I figured I can just respond in kind at times. Makes some people angry though if you treat them the way they treat you.

And you do a jolly good work, mate :D