Quote Originally Posted by HitWithThe5 View Post
No need for that, they aren't that bad actually. I guess it's like what they say about how people start seeing the guy who won the lottery. I've never met a Brit that doesn't like the Gulf. Not to mention what London is now was straight up built by our lowly countries.
The entire Gulf looks like Satan's naval to me - no democracy, no freedom (religious or political), wealth inequality that make Europe look like Marx's dream, horrific oppression of women, criminalisation of the poor, non Muslims literally being worth 1/3 of a Muslim...

I realise that not all of that is true of every Gulf State but it still looks like hell from where I'm sitting.

Totally different topic. You were quick to run out of that one with doublespeak. I already proved to you they are the same.
I gave up when your definition of "Arab" became so wide it encompassed the Jewish Diaspora whether you realised it or not.

I appreciate the breakdown, but this is comparable to the middle east how? True, it's dangerous to "civil society at the local level" but I'm talking about state survival not manageable civil disturbances. Civil society is weak and restrained in the GCC, which makes it prone to the only civil society that can possibly be justified in such an environment - some form of political Islam. Some people would just be more enthusiastic and comfortable starting up a political Islamic program in another Arab country than they would in an alien country, it is more of a danger in the middle east than it is in Europe obviously.
I, for one, have no desire to see Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" become a reality but if the current situation is not managed effectively it becomes a genuine possibility, much more so than with the Afro-Caribbeans in the '60's.

I grew up/go to school here, but I am from the UAE and spent most of my life there. It's my home and I know it has problems.
And for this reason Europe should take in millions of immigrants? The Arab world is currently exporting its problems to Europe - why should we let it happen?

I will say that one thing I've noticed is that Europeans in general, again in general (and the ones I've met) all have disdain for Arabs for some reason. It shows, even with you. Oh well, I'm livin
An Englishman can't trust someone who doesn't drink - or someone who drinks and lies about it. All of the most disgusting people I have met, physically and morally, have been Arabs. Added to that you have political Islam and the mess that Arabs have made of the Middle East and the Levant through bad politics and miss-management.

It's not that I dislike Arabs generally, I don't have a huge personal experience by any means, it's that the vast majority of things I despise seem to be popular within Arab culture, or at least a section of it.

Agreed. They are far more welcoming than Europe, not a hint of widespread condescension.
The US has really done enough imo.
Pleople went to the US because Europe had no room, Europe has even less room but there's still some in the US. If it behoves Europe to take these people from the ME it behoves the US to take them from Europe.