IMMIGRATION thread

[Viking]

And somehow this is worse than +10,000 people getting killed and +250,000 leaving their own country?

Worse? What's worse: you (presumed innocent) getting mowed down by a bulldozer, or 10 other innocent people instead? Is either of the two cases worse than the other? Worse with respect to what?

Those weapons didn’t come close to Qaddafi’s or NATO's arsenal.

Neither did the weapons outsiders provided.

During the uprising, no signs of indiscriminate killing.

Hard to verify, either way - one of many problems with closed countries.

The rebels you hate less than the regime have killed way more civilians.

It's highly probable that the allies during WWII many places killed more civilians than the Nazis by ordinary bombing raids and fighting; but such statistics are not inherently meaningful for comparisons for what's 'worse' - context is key.

You miss the point. It’s not about guarantee but whether their western patron is okay with them funding these groups to overthrow Assad. Since regime change was a legit objective, zealously funding Islamists also became legit.

And what do you base this on? Why shouldn't the Gulf states fund the rebels, anyway?

We disagree that nato’s goal and reason for intervening was the removal of Qaddafi?

Never mind, we disagree that the objective itself was a failure.

This was nowhere near enough to stopping the counteroffensive on the city. Saif al Islam was on tv five days after that was reported saying it will all be over in a couple of days. Egypt was the only refuge and the rebels in the east had already begun retreating there. There was nowhere to go for the rebels.

Who cares what Saif said. Facts are there were several cities beyond Benghazi. Benghazi itself could not be expected to fall within a day or two ( if it at all would fall), which would provide extra time to plan any defence for remaining cities.

NATO is to blame friend, there's really no way around it:

Blame for what, exactly? If the Libyan militias wanted prosperity for their country, they could move towards it rather swiftly - NATO is not holding them back.

They actually retook it March 9. Like I said bbc were the only ones that apologized for their dishonest coverage of the war, which pretty much every western outlet is guilty of but didn't care to correct themselves.

Link please for the BBC statement. Chances are it has absolutely nothing to do with when the fighting for Zawiya first began (the end date is not in dispute).