IMMIGRATION thread

[Papewaio]

The current refugee crisis is revealing several things in the strain that it is putting on Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conv...us_of_Refugees

It is interesting to note that the convention was originally made for the benefit of European refugees. Now that the flux has reversed Europe wants to block it. How wonderfully selfish when you only want the benefits one way.

[Fragony]

economic migrants and wellfare-tourists aren't refugees

[Husar]

economic migrants and wellfare-tourists aren't refugees

Prejudices aren't facts.

[Fragony]

Prejudices aren't facts.

facts are facts, and it's a fact that only a few are refugees

[Greyblades]

Eh, technically the Iraqi, libyan and Syrian movers could be legally counted as refugees as they are fleeing war zones, though I don't think all of of the reasons for moving will have been be self preservation.

The rest of the influx though are certainly migrants.

[Crandar]

Afghans and Erythreans are also refugees, the former because Afghanistan is still a war-zone and the latter because they flee from a regime that puts North Korea or Saudi Arabia in a positive light.

[Fragony]

Afghans and Erythreans are also refugees, the former because Afghanistan is still a war-zone and the latter because they flee from a regime that puts North Korea or Saudi Arabia in a positive light.

Always have been shit the world is shit, but this current uncontrolable horde is all Mutti Theresa's fault, so let Germany deal with her blundering, share the shit because some eastblock farmhorse has a messias-complex? Give her a DS and a copy of Pokemon so she can collect them all instead, or put her in a safe cntrolled enviroment as she already lost her mind years ago.

[Sarmatian]

Eh, technically the Iraqi, libyan and Syrian movers could be legally counted as refugees as they are fleeing war zones, though I don't think all of of the reasons for moving will have been be self preservation.

The rest of the influx though are certainly migrants.

Tehnically?

[CrossLOPER]

Tehnically?

They aren't white Christians, so technically that aren't human.

[Viking]

It is interesting to note that the convention was originally made for the benefit of European refugees. Now that the flux has reversed Europe wants to block it. How wonderfully selfish when you only want the benefits one way.

That's pure nonsense. European countries and European migrant nations were helping Europeans - the flux has in no way reversed. Most appropriately, Syria hasn't even signed that thing.

[Papewaio]

That's pure nonsense. European countries and European migrant nations were helping Europeans - the flux has in no way reversed. Most appropriately, Syria hasn't even signed that thing.

Watch Casablanca and then come back and tell me there was no refugees leaving Europe for North Africa and beyond prior, during and after WWII.

[Viking]

Watch Casablanca and then come back and tell me there was no refugees leaving Europe for North Africa and beyond prior, during and after WWII.

A movie as a reference won't cut it.

Regardless, most of Morocco was a French protectorate until 1956. In general, you have to demonstrate who were calling the shots in these countries.

You don't need a refugee convention to accept refugees on your own territory.

[Papewaio]

I'm using a movie reference because it is an enjoyable way of getting a good reference. It also shows that it was common enough knowledge in the U.S. which way the people were traveling. Also you may want to watch it again and recognize which European country had control of Morocco as technically it wasn't France as it's government was in exile and it wouldn't make sense for them to need to run. Vichy France whilst European was an all together different beast and why the people traffickers in the movie were making a profit moving people along.

There are plenty of archival photos of ships loaded with refugees escaping Europe to go to North Africa. There is the movement of people to Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt and Lybia too.

Now if you want to play the colonial masters game. Then I will play the you broke it and you own it one. Lybia and Syria are the result of prior colonial and recent NATO actions.

[Papewaio]

Now for a more dry factual look:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...Administration

Note the United Nations was what the Allies referred to themselves. This refugee organization did later get absorbed by the current United Nations. So the oldest UN organization is the one dealing with refugees.

The idea that: "That's pure nonsense. European countries and European migrant nations were helping Europeans - the flux has in no way reversed. Most appropriately, Syria hasn't even signed that thing.".

Compare and contrast with a list of the countries who signed the UNRRA:

The Agreement for United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration[3] founding document was signed by 44 countries in the White House in Washington, November 9, 1943. UNRRA was headed by a Director-General, and governed by a Council (composed of representatives of all state parties) with a Central Committee representing the United States, Britain, China, and the Soviet Union.[4] The other countries who signed the agreement included: Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, the French Committee of National Liberation, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Iceland, India, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, South Africa, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Yugoslavia.

So are all these countries European? No, not by a long shot. So my statement was not nonsense. You have somehow mistaken the EU for the UN.

Next time take the easy way out and watch a movie.