IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

I'm sure we covered the fact that nobody can read when you're being sarcastic over a year ago in the Ukraine thread.

Given that there are plenty of people outside the Backroom and even a few within who get my sarcasm right away, I know where the actual problem lies.

At the moment my biggest beef with this whole topic is that there are three scenarios:
1) Germany is full of foreign rapists
2) Germany is full of racists/nazis
3) A bit of 1 and 2

None of them sounds good to me.
Of course the truth is probably 3, but that does not make it better.
I don't think immigration is a problem in itself, the problem is that people make a huge issue out of immigration itself when from all I read the true problem lies with the laws, rules and the way it is handled by the government. That includes laws which are far too soft for some types of crime (we were too busy trying to jail people who copy a CD for the rest of their lives because Hollywood vult), laws which have even allowed inner-European criminals to operate in a cozy environment (no one cared much so far because they don't seem to turn German daughters into sex slaves and the Italians mostly shoot each other). Add to this that getting so many people at once (other countries conveniently collected them before they let them all through at once) causes actual logistics problems in a housing market where rents were already going up (that's a point for Fragony). And national measures to actually do a lot about it, such as raising new housing blocks are unthinkable and even with a lot of effort not possible within a month or two. So you end up "storing" the refugees somewhere, which causes other problems such as rape and whatnot. If some villages are half refugee population now, the distribution is also horribly implemented. 1.5 million refugees with a population of 82 million is 1.8%, so if some places have 50% or even anywhere above 10% refugee population, the distribution is badly organized.

To blame all this on the refugees is a bit silly though, our country was already a bit too much of a paradise for criminals before they arrived and not all of them are criminals after all.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Given that there are plenty of people outside the Backroom and even a few within who get my sarcasm right away, I know where the actual problem lies.

Yes, I said it may well be that you're the funniest man here and we're all morons, but that doesn't change the fact that your responses are far too deadpan for text.

As you say, immigration itself is not inherently bad, but there are questions of scale, of the origin and circumstances of this particular wave of immigrants, and of their sense of entitlement.

One assumes the average German likes living in Germany, speaking German and drinking German beer. Anything that threatens that should be expected to provoke a negative reaction - anything that seriously or repeatedly threatens that might provoke a violent reaction.

If there is a problem with modern Germans it is the self-censorship for fear of being labled Nazis, rather than Germans actually being Nazis.

The rest of Europe secretly think Germans are like this:

[Montmorency]

The rest of Europe secretly think Germans are like this:

I'm not so sure. 20 years ago, that may have been funny; now, the laughter is distinctly nervous...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm not so sure. 20 years ago, that may have been funny; now, the laughter is distinctly nervous...

Inside every German is just another German. All we've seen in the last five years is that they've stopped simpering and started thinking about their own country again - something I applaud. I hope they get their army properly in order too, last I heard a lot of them were too fat to pass a basic physical.

Germany is a big country with a wealthy populace and a large industrial base - if it isn't a dominant power in world affairs then there's something funny going on.

[AE Bravo]

If they are allowed to make political protests, they will all be religiously-charged ones that bring middle eastern problems to EU. It’s going to drive policy towards mideast and within. There’s a reason you don’t see any of them in the United States.

Pretending like nothing’s wrong is unhealthy, the issues need to be tackled or you’re harboring racism. This seems all too familiar, and people are forgetting the fact that the immigrants have escaped war and countries ripped apart by sectarianism. Good luck if that's how you're going to deal with them. Stop fronting.

[Brenus]

"Technically refugees, in the international sense, are those fleeing persecution rather than those merely fleeing conflict." Nope. You try to create an artificial difference. The Refugee is some one who cross an international border to save his/her life, doesn't matter why: war, persecution, famine, natural disasters (flooding, droughts, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conven...us_of_Refugees

I do remember for Yugoslavia a special status had to be created Internally Displaced Person as Yugoslavia was in theory one state.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If they are allowed to make political protests, they will all be religiously-charged ones that bring middle eastern problems to EU. It’s going to drive policy towards mideast and within. There’s a reason you don’t see any of them in the United States.

Pretending like nothing’s wrong is unhealthy, the issues need to be tackled or you’re harboring racism. This seems all too familiar, and people are forgetting the fact that the immigrants have escaped war and countries ripped apart by sectarianism. Good luck if that's how you're going to deal with them. Stop fronting.

So...

Don't allow them to protest?

People are very vocal about the fact that they're not happy with the way immigrants behave and that they don't want the sectarian problems of the Middle-East imported but all the immigrants do is cry "racist".

So, now, many countries don't want to have these immigrants here at all.

Now, I recall that you said several pages ago that we should be taking thousands if not tens of thousands of people in per country, you implied we were obligated. So how do you propose we deal with their refusal to integrate?

We're not going to restrict their political or social freedoms any more than the native/assimilated population.

[Fisherking]

So...

Don't allow them to protest?

People are very vocal about the fact that they're not happy with the way immigrants behave and that they don't want the sectarian problems of the Middle-East imported but all the immigrants do is cry "racist".

So, now, many countries don't want to have these immigrants here at all.

Now, I recall that you said several pages ago that we should be taking thousands if not tens of thousands of people in per country, you implied we were obligated. So how do you propose we deal with their refusal to integrate?

We're not going to restrict their political or social freedoms any more than the native/assimilated population.

I am interested in how they are all getting to Europe. It sure is a boom for the human trafficking trade.

Of course Soros says that his organisations are helping. I just wonder exactly how much and in what ways. All these poor people seem to have the thousands of dollars/euro/drachmas etc. to pay passage, with them coming from as far as Afghanistan.

He says borders and national sovereignty are the problem.

We all know what a big heart he has. Funny how all these ultra-rich have such big hearts and a problem with national sovereignty. I guess that is also a problem with rule of law. How very selfless they are. They all seem to be working for a global society and global government.

Weren’t these some of the very people who control the corporations who drafted and negotiated the TPP and several other trade treats said to infringe on national sovereignty?

I suppose it is only coincidental. After all, they are supporters and even the founders of such noble causes as open borders, global warming, free trade treaties, sustainable development, open cities, agenda 21, and agenda 2030. They were the architects of such fabulous democratic institutions like the EU and exert strong influence on the UN.

No, I am sure we are all just fools to question the motives of central bankers and the richest among the corporate elite. It is all humanitarianism and there could not possibly be anything in it for them.

Aren’t they all worthy causes and the global elite seem to be staking all their wealth to bring them to us. Obviously we are just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I feel much, much, much, much better now. Knowing that all the richest me of the world, who know so very much more what is good for us, are looking out for the wellbeing of humanity and leading us to utopia. Even though they are forced to resort to dystopian methods to achieve it. All just for us. Aren’t we lucky.