IMMIGRATION thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If they are allowed to make political protests, they will all be religiously-charged ones that bring middle eastern problems to EU. It’s going to drive policy towards mideast and within. There’s a reason you don’t see any of them in the United States.

Pretending like nothing’s wrong is unhealthy, the issues need to be tackled or you’re harboring racism. This seems all too familiar, and people are forgetting the fact that the immigrants have escaped war and countries ripped apart by sectarianism. Good luck if that's how you're going to deal with them. Stop fronting.

So...

Don't allow them to protest?

People are very vocal about the fact that they're not happy with the way immigrants behave and that they don't want the sectarian problems of the Middle-East imported but all the immigrants do is cry "racist".

So, now, many countries don't want to have these immigrants here at all.

Now, I recall that you said several pages ago that we should be taking thousands if not tens of thousands of people in per country, you implied we were obligated. So how do you propose we deal with their refusal to integrate?

We're not going to restrict their political or social freedoms any more than the native/assimilated population.

[Fisherking]

So...

Don't allow them to protest?

People are very vocal about the fact that they're not happy with the way immigrants behave and that they don't want the sectarian problems of the Middle-East imported but all the immigrants do is cry "racist".

So, now, many countries don't want to have these immigrants here at all.

Now, I recall that you said several pages ago that we should be taking thousands if not tens of thousands of people in per country, you implied we were obligated. So how do you propose we deal with their refusal to integrate?

We're not going to restrict their political or social freedoms any more than the native/assimilated population.

I am interested in how they are all getting to Europe. It sure is a boom for the human trafficking trade.

Of course Soros says that his organisations are helping. I just wonder exactly how much and in what ways. All these poor people seem to have the thousands of dollars/euro/drachmas etc. to pay passage, with them coming from as far as Afghanistan.

He says borders and national sovereignty are the problem.

We all know what a big heart he has. Funny how all these ultra-rich have such big hearts and a problem with national sovereignty. I guess that is also a problem with rule of law. How very selfless they are. They all seem to be working for a global society and global government.

Weren’t these some of the very people who control the corporations who drafted and negotiated the TPP and several other trade treats said to infringe on national sovereignty?

I suppose it is only coincidental. After all, they are supporters and even the founders of such noble causes as open borders, global warming, free trade treaties, sustainable development, open cities, agenda 21, and agenda 2030. They were the architects of such fabulous democratic institutions like the EU and exert strong influence on the UN.

No, I am sure we are all just fools to question the motives of central bankers and the richest among the corporate elite. It is all humanitarianism and there could not possibly be anything in it for them.

Aren’t they all worthy causes and the global elite seem to be staking all their wealth to bring them to us. Obviously we are just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I feel much, much, much, much better now. Knowing that all the richest me of the world, who know so very much more what is good for us, are looking out for the wellbeing of humanity and leading us to utopia. Even though they are forced to resort to dystopian methods to achieve it. All just for us. Aren’t we lucky.

[Husar]

Come on, you blame the job creators for this?

Are you saying it's not fair that the nazis, the foreign criminal families that threaten judges, the local criminals who hold foreigners as sex slaves, the Italians who run their mafia here and the bankers who launder terrorist money "cannot be stopped" but when someone uses your grandma's internet connection to download a movie, she is threatened with 30 years in prison? We need to protect the job creators man, when someone uses poor eastern euros as sex slaves by threatening to kill their families if they talk in court, then it does not bother our national interests and there is no need to do anything. The real problem is when someone takes more from the rich than he pays back with interest, that's the kind of behavior we need to stop at all costs because it ruins our democracy.

We need to make sure that the poor (nazis) continue to fight the other poor (immigrants, salafists) before anyone gets the idea that the rich might be the ones making a profit from wage dumping. Let's blame more of our problems on the powerless poor masses!

[AE Bravo]

Now, I recall that you said several pages ago that we should be taking thousands if not tens of thousands of people in per country, you implied we were obligated. So how do you propose we deal with their refusal to integrate?

We're not going to restrict their political or social freedoms any more than the native/assimilated population.

The problem is the Islam you are importing. Every Muslim student association in Europe is funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, while every mosque is controlled by the Saudi clergy and its Shura council. Every Friday sermon and most university gatherings is rightwing Islam.

It’s baffling how people like Frag here overlook this Islamic politics game and just brush aside the whole thing when there’s no other solution besides containing this game yourself like the US has. Your people have done a fine job of colonizing and oppressing the private sphere in the past in other countries, do it on your own turf for once. Time to follow up on your humanitarian-pragmatic game.

Sometimes you need some fox news here and there to ease the process, lefty Islam gon pop up sooner or later. Oh look the UK is doing it already https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The problem is the Islam you are importing. Every Muslim student association in Europe is funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, while every mosque is controlled by the Saudi clergy and its Shura council. Every Friday sermon and most university gatherings is rightwing Islam.

It’s baffling how people like Frag here overlook this Islamic politics game and just brush aside the whole thing when there’s no other solution besides containing this game yourself like the US has. Your people have done a fine job of colonizing and oppressing the private sphere in the past in other countries, do it on your own turf for once. Time to follow up on your humanitarian-pragmatic game.

Sometimes you need some fox news here and there to ease the process, lefty Islam gon pop up sooner or later. Oh look the UK is doing it already https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)

We do not oppress the residents of our own country, nor do we covertly infiltrate religious groups to bend them to society's will.

Quilliam has been around for a while, as have de-radicalisation programs.

The problem is inherent in the war we are fighting - Islamists want to destroy Europe - All Islamists are Muslims, many are born in Europe - we have to keep an eye on Muslims in Europe to try to identify people who are rasicals or who are being groomed - attempting to intervene in the grooming process has been know to accelerate it and create new radicals.

Many of the Muslims in Europe are poor, poorly integrated and lack the language skills or education to get on in our society. They are in serious danger, as a group, of becoming a distinct underlcass which means they become, as a group, a problem.

Now, wealthy well educated Muslims - likely similar to yourself - have no problem integrating, even if they don't drink, but they are a minority.

The people flooding Europe's Limes are fertile ground for radicalisation once they reach Europe because they will struggle to integrate and we lack the tools to help them - and a lot of them are former fighters and just flat our nasty to boot.

[Viking]

Returning to the topic of what a refugee is, this is what the Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status under the 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees says:

CHAPTER V – SPECIAL CASES

A. War refugees

164. Persons compelled to leave their country of origin as a result of international or national armed conflicts are not normally considered refugees under the 1951 Convention or 1967 Protocol.

In other words, coming from a war zone alone is not enough to qualify for refugee status under these papers.

[Husar]

In other words, coming from a war zone alone is not enough to qualify for refugee status under these papers.

Which is funny because it says: "A. War refugees"

[AE Bravo]

The problem is inherent in the war we are fighting - Islamists want to destroy Europe - All Islamists are Muslims, many are born in Europe - we have to keep an eye on Muslims in Europe to try to identify people who are rasicals or who are being groomed - attempting to intervene in the grooming process has been know to accelerate it and create new radicals.

Many of the Muslims in Europe are poor, poorly integrated and lack the language skills or education to get on in our society. They are in serious danger, as a group, of becoming a distinct underlcass which means they become, as a group, a problem.

This is accommodating Islamists though. Hardliners rely on “covert infiltration” and the only way to deal with them is to respond in kind. It’s a cancer and it’s not inherent in the war you’re fighting.

If you have no interest in getting more reasonable Muslim teachings to win the hearts and minds of your Muslim population than it’s no surprise that most of them turn to a life of even more struggle (jihadism). Counter-productive to the nation and stalls growth of a distinct European Islam loyal to European countries.

What tools are lacking to help exactly?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This is accommodating Islamists though. Hardliners rely on “covert infiltration” and the only way to deal with them is to respond in kind. It’s a cancer and it’s not inherent in the war you’re fighting.

We are a liberal state - to an extent we are required to accommodate unsavoury opinions or our entire social edifice will crumble. We have already taken steps to censor divergent opinions, which is anathema to traditional British values.

If you have no interest in getting more reasonable Muslim teachings to win the hearts and minds of your Muslim population than it’s no surprise that most of them turn to a life of even more struggle (jihadism). Counter-productive to the nation and stalls growth of a distinct European Islam loyal to European countries.

The Muslim community, ultimately, has to sort itself out - you can't have a Christian/Secular/Atheist telling people what beliefs are an aren't allowed - that is not acceptable.

What tools are lacking to help exactly?

In has been realised, over the last ten years, that the non-Muslims in the country have very little understanding of Islam. Once upon a time the "Muslim Council of Great Britain" was seen as quite Liberal by non-Muslims in Britain but it is now understood that the MCGB is, in fact, quite right wing and has elements which may have been involved in subverting our secular education system to turn state schools in Muslim areas into Sharia schools.

Overall I have to say I've never encountered a group of "Left-Wing" Muslims in the UK, even in a university context,