IMMIGRATION thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's easy. I can concede that. Maybe we have the same image of the elephant.

What's your solution?

*crickets*

Reduce the number of police cars and increase the number of foot patrols.

Police Foot patrols reduce crime whereas cars merely catch criminals.

The most important thing in these areas is to ensure the law is enforced. If you can force the immigrant groups to accept that the law is present you can make them fear it and encourage them to appeal to it rather than mob justice.

And yes - everyone should fear the Law.

[AE Bravo]

Reduce the number of police cars and increase the number of foot patrols.

Police Foot patrols reduce crime whereas cars merely catch criminals.

The most important thing in these areas is to ensure the law is enforced. If you can force the immigrant groups to accept that the law is present you can make them fear it and encourage them to appeal to it rather than mob justice.

And yes - everyone should fear the Law.

That is literally a cop out. You’re shifting responsibility to neglected sectors of the community. Thugs live on fear and fear mongering, especially ones that are an existential threat to the country. I’ve said this before all this does is result in a tweeked out Muslim version of NWA that will follow the ol European strategy of harboring hatred until that pent up aggression blows up in your face. It’s easy to say “more foot patrols” but that is unlikely to prevent a social movement with grievance narratives based on fact. You can accuse Muslims all you want of viewing everyone else as “sub-human” but there is a great impact on these communities after they see the UK assisting in the disintegration of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now in Yemen supporting the coalition forces. Whether it's your ancestral homeland or just seeing people sharing your beliefs dying, there are big reasons for the state of victimhood since they are marginalized communities.

This is exactly what orgs like IS want, whose transnational strategy is nothing but deliberately making life harder for Muslims abroad.

People should be protected by the law.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That is literally a cop out. You’re shifting responsibility to neglected sectors of the community.

No, I'm throwing responsibility back onto the Police. It's their job to enforce the law and, more importantly, kepp the peace.

Thugs live on fear and fear mongering, especially ones that are an existential threat to the country.

How do you stop thugs? You create en environment in which they cannot operate. Enforcing the law is the cornerstone of the modern state, it's what allows me to walk down an unlit alley at night.

I’ve said this before all this does is result in a tweeked out Muslim version of NWA that will follow the ol European strategy of harboring hatred until that pent up aggression blows up in your face. It’s easy to say “more foot patrols” but that is unlikely to prevent a social movement with grievance narratives based on fact. You can accuse Muslims all you want of viewing everyone else as “sub-human” but there is a great impact on these communities after they see the UK assisting in the disintegration of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now in Yemen supporting the coalition forces. Whether it's your ancestral homeland or just seeing people sharing your beliefs dying, there are big reasons for the state of victimhood since they are marginalized communities.

The fact that we are bombing IS in Syria is no excuse for someone to refuse to obey the law in the UK. We do not marginalise Muslims in this country, they marginalise themselves by not learning English (despite money set aside to help them) and living in ghettoes.

People should be protected by the law.

And to be protected by the law you must obey it - which means you must fear it.

I fear the law - I fear prison - it's why I go out of my way not to break it rather than just doing what I think is right.

[Beskar]

I fear the law - I fear prison - it's why I go out of my way not to break it rather than just doing what I think is right.

Don't sell yourself short, PFH, I am sure that isn't the only reason stopping you in not breaking the law.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Don't sell yourself short, PFH, I am sure that isn't the only reason stopping you in not breaking the law.

Of course not, but it's the thing that will always stop me. That's the point - the Law is something you follow all the time, and it applies to everyone. About 90% of the time (at least) I would automatically follow the Law but in certain circumstances I might act differently but for the Law.

For example - If someone abused a child or raped a friend of mine I'm fairly sure I could kill them and live with it - and if it was my own child I almost certainly would. However, the Law says that if I follow through with that I go to gaol, separated from my family.

The Law is about enforcing the same standards of behaviours on everyone. If there are parts of a country where the writ of the Law runs thin then that must be corrected first.

[Pannonian]

Of course not, but it's the thing that will always stop me. That's the point - the Law is something you follow all the time, and it applies to everyone. About 90% of the time (at least) I would automatically follow the Law but in certain circumstances I might act differently but for the Law.

For example - If someone abused a child or raped a friend of mine I'm fairly sure I could kill them and live with it - and if it was my own child I almost certainly would. However, the Law says that if I follow through with that I go to gaol, separated from my family.

The Law is about enforcing the same standards of behaviours on everyone. If there are parts of a country where the writ of the Law runs thin then that must be corrected first.

Also, the acceptance across England, since Henry Tudor at least, that there is but one state in England, whose rules are independent of any holy book. I have no great desire to turn the clock back 500+ years.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Also, the acceptance across England, since Henry Tudor at least, that there is but one state in England, whose rules are independent of any holy book. I have no great desire to turn the clock back 500+ years.

Oh no, that's nonsense.

Our laws are based on the Protestant interpretation of morality - it's only in the last two centuries that Catholics and Jews have become full citizens.

Modern Britain is a product of Queen Victoria's government, who re-wrote history to give us a myth we were always like this.

Hell, 350 year ago we were basically a theocratic "Republic" much like modern Iran.