IMMIGRATION thread

[I of the Storm]

Indeed. You can always have a bad luck evening and run into a bunch of hooligans looking for some recreational violence. But usually it's pretty civilized around here. You definitely do not run the risk of getting caught in a gang shootout crossfire or getting shot by the police for obscure reasons.

What I don't remember: were they going around admonishing basically everybody or did they do that selectively to people who looked like a muslim background to them?

Also, Fisherking, what other sharia police incidents here in Germany are you referring to? I know of only one.

[Fisherking]

Indeed. You can always have a bad luck evening and run into a bunch of hooligans looking for some recreational violence. But usually it's pretty civilized around here. You definitely do not run the risk of getting caught in a gang shootout crossfire or getting shot by the police for obscure reasons.

What I don't remember: were they going around admonishing basically everybody or did they do that selectively to people who looked like a muslim background to them?

Also, Fisherking, what other sharia police incidents here in Germany are you referring to? I know of only one.

I've not tried to find the old articles but there were several patrols over a week or two before the arrest. I think I recall they were in a couple of cities.

[Idaho]

Unless you spend all your time in the red-light districts of.....Frankfurt.... you are not likely to become a crime victim.

If you have ever encountered physically aggressive Germans you are hanging out in the wrong part of town.

Heh... Yep. That was where I was 3 of those times

[Idaho]

lol the incidence of that in Germany is very much lower than in several other European Nations.

Yeah, German football fans are more likely to be found fast asleep in the stadiums ;)

[Fragony]

Indeed. You can always have a bad luck evening and run into a bunch of hooligans looking for some recreational violence. But usually it's pretty civilized around here. You definitely do not run the risk of getting caught in a gang shootout crossfire or getting shot by the police for obscure reasons.

What I don't remember: were they going around admonishing basically everybody or did they do that selectively to people who looked like a muslim background to them?

Also, Fisherking, what other sharia police incidents here in Germany are you referring to? I know of only one.

It's a creeping poison, not a knockout punch. We got the clock, they got the time.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You are a marvel PVC. You put a load of nonsense further up, then you post something incisive like this. It's like the lucid moments of a drunk.

If I was drunk I'd be out hitting on students and then deciding not to go home with them at the end of the night because they're too young for me.

[Fisherking]

Refugees as a profit making enterprise: http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/18/so...refugee-chaos/

From a darling of the left.

[Gilrandir]

lol the incidence of that in Germany is very much lower than in several other European Nations.

I meant that if an English fan were going to pick up a fight in Germany he would have it.

[Fragony]

Can take it too far, Denmark is thinking about confiscating money over 400 euro and juwels. Law hasn't passed yet but that's pretty repulsive, there is a diifference between being stern and being inhuman imo

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Refugees as a profit making enterprise: http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/18/so...refugee-chaos/

From a darling of the left.

George Soros is the man who kicked the UK out of the EMU just because he could.

[Fisherking]

How are people to react?

The refugee crises is a manufactured, for profit, crises to cause misery on all sides, under the guise of humanitarianism. The Strength of human compassion is turned against us to cause chaos and promote corporate goals.

To turn them away is portrayed as inhumane and to accept them is to destroy the fabric of Western Society and invite our own destruction.

Make no mistake! That is the goal of international Corporatists. Soros is not alone.

[Fisherking]

Can take it too far, Denmark is thinking about confiscating money over 400 euro and juwels. Law hasn't passed yet but that's pretty repulsive, there is a diifference between being stern and being inhuman imo

Look at it for what it is. It is deterrence. It is extreme and unfair but to avoid it they simply don’t go there.

[Fragony]

Look at it for what it is. It is deterrence. It is extreme and unfair but to avoid it they simply don’t go there.

Just close the borders, is what we all should do, enough is enough

[Beskar]

Just close the borders, is what we all should do, enough is enough

Would suck to find out that your holiday has been cancelled because the destination country decided to close the borders. They generally would not get a refund.

Then there is the economic impact of the tourist industry because they holiday makers are not bringing money into the economy, which mean there are job losses and closures.

Now you have a bunch of homegrown natives with no money, which means they are now unable to shop, pay bills, contribute to the economy which means further closures and job losses are abound.

Then if you are a port nation too, it means ships and transports are not able to dock due to being unable to leave the ships, or told to go elsewhere, which ruins imports into the country, forcing supply issues locally which causes prices to rise due to high demand and low supply. Even then if you are landlocked, you closed your borders to foreign supply vehicles and drivers.

Now you just ruined your countries economy and refugees don't want to go there. Congratulations!

[Fragony]

You make it sound so complicated, we could travel over Europe just fine with pasports and ID-cards when there were active border-controls. When outsids from Europe, demand a visum. Refugees must ask for asylum in the first safe country they enter. These are migrants not regugees. What 's in Callais aren't refugees either they are migrants as well.

That eastblock farmhorse Merkel with her messias-complex caused a lot of trouble with changing the rules.

[Fisherking]

You make it sound so complicated, we could travel over Europe just fine with pasports and ID-cards when there were active border-controls. When outsids from Europe, demand a visum. Refugees must ask for asylum in the first safe country they enter. These are migrants not regugees. What 's in Callais aren't refugees either they are migrants as well.

That eastblock farmhorse Merkel with her messias-complex caused a lot of trouble with changing the rules.

Hold your horses. Merkel is a politician. Germany is open to receiving refugees because almost every German family has a member or two or four who were refugees at the end of the Second World War. It was very predictable. Just about any German Politician would have done the same.

Now, why did the migrant crises arise and why did they choose Germany is much more telling.

We have know for months that NGOs sponsored and created by Soros were funding and encouraging flight from Turkey and other Mid East and Northern African Countries. Much in the same way that child migrants began flooding the US border previously.

There is also analysis of social media that show most of the recommendations that made Germany the IN Destination came from locations in the US and UK. Only a small percentage, later on, came from Germany its self.

This was not a spontaneous event. It was an orchestrated and facilitated event, using displaced people as pawns in a political-economic game for power and wealth.

I don't put it beyond the pale for Merkel to have had foreknowledge but given German politics I don't see how she could have done much else.

[Fragony]

Anything besides chosing to ignore the Dublin treaty? Unforgivable mistake. Mutti Theresa isn't going to be remembered how she wanted.

[Pannonian]

Hold your horses. Merkel is a politician. Germany is open to receiving refugees because almost every German family has a member or two or four who were refugees at the end of the Second World War. It was very predictable. Just about any German Politician would have done the same.

Now, why did the migrant crises arise and why did they choose Germany is much more telling.

We have know for months that NGOs sponsored and created by Soros were funding and encouraging flight from Turkey and other Mid East and Northern African Countries. Much in the same way that child migrants began flooding the US border previously.

There is also analysis of social media that show most of the recommendations that made Germany the IN Destination came from locations in the US and UK. Only a small percentage, later on, came from Germany its self.

This was not a spontaneous event. It was an orchestrated and facilitated event, using displaced people as pawns in a political-economic game for power and wealth.

I don't put it beyond the pale for Merkel to have had foreknowledge but given German politics I don't see how she could have done much else.

WTH?

[Greyblades]

Afghan migrants set up homeless camp at the site of Paris terror attack memorial to protest against lack of housing

Afghan asylum-seekers have set up a homeless camp at the site of a prominent Paris terror attack memorial in protest at the lack of migrant housing.

The migrants have laid down mattresses and blankets at the busy Place de la Republique in Paris, where tens of thousands held a march of solidarity in the wake of the attacks.

The location of a tribute to those killed on November 13, the area is now been covered in protest signs and debris from the migrants living in the area.

[Gilrandir]

Ankle bracelets as an option for curbing terrorism?
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...rroristen.html

[Fragony]

You know what I'm talking about, Merkel schaft das, who would like to violate her anyway

Why are the few that did get caught not on the plane right now?

[Fisherking]

What ever are you talking about? German Sexual Assaults on New Years Eve? Never heard a thing about it.

Police and German national media have been accused of a cover-up after it took days to clarify that the perpetrators were a large crowd of around 1,000 men "who from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world" as police chief Wolfgang Albers said on Monday.

As this was posted 40 min ago, looks like no one else did either. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

[Fragony]

Hardly surprising. Almost a hundred records of at least assaults in Collongne alone. Females were 'tunneled' by about a 1000 .arabs/north African males, got touched, robbed and even raped. Not just in Collogne. All who who were actually caught are children of childless mutti Merkel. Well done, not even Sweden got fucked up this much.

For the German-challenged http://www.dw.com/en/string-of-new-y...gne/a-18958334

You let in thousands of people who see western women as fair game, what could possibly go wrong

[Don Corleone]

This is terribly unfortunate and distressing. On the one hand, even if the numbers of perpetrators approached 10,000, that would be a tiny fraction of the 1M refugees that Germany accepted in 2015, forget the even greater numbers of men of Arabic and North African descent (those on visa, those naturalized, and even those native born). Sadly, this will generate a backlash of violence against all the super-majority of peaceful refugees and others just looking for a better life.

That being said, the crime itself is intolerable. Sweeping it under the rug in the hopes of avoiding offense to the arabic/NA community at large or denying the common origin of the attacks to the larger general public is going to undermine confidence and healthy respect in necessary authority.

I would advise the German government that they go the other way on this. In a very high profile fashion, invite the enclave community leaders to very publicly participate in a stern, widespread and unflinching disciplinary response. Those who can be proven to have participated should be either jailed (citizens) or deported (refugees or documented/undocumented immigrants).

Sure, there may be some howls from the enclave communities, but this is an issue that's going on across racial and religoius lines. The old lie of "well, boys will be boys" must be stamped out forever. I personally don't care if my one of my daughters got groped by a Syrian refugee who's pissed that he's unemployed and living on handouts or a navy pilot who's drunk and letting off some steam... either way I want the man held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

We don't like to admit it, but we live in a rape culture. This is just one more facet of it. We shouldn't tolerate it from new immigrants and refugees, but we shouldn't tolerate from those who've been here for a while either.

[Sarmatian]

Does everyone ignore this part of the article?

The pretty Christmas market and medieval setting may look idyllic, but at Christmas and New Year the area around Cologne Cathedral is a notorious danger zone when it comes to pickpockets and theft.

I wonder if it was like this in the 90's, when Serbs were actively demonized. There are hundreds of links about it, very little substance and all most likely originate from the same source. There is difference in the tone, though. jihadiwatch.org, for instance, talks about "thousands of Muslims walking around assaulting women and committing rapes", while thelocal.de also mentions words of the police chief of Cologne who said that a lot of perpetrators have been known to the police for years and are locals, not refugees.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that haters saw some Arabs in the crowd and decided to blow it out of proportions, Fragony style.

[Husar]

Haha, I only came here to see if Fragony had already started the inevitable thread.

I agree with Don, the nazis will probably look for some poor guys to beat up so both sides end up creating more victims while the actual perpetrators may get away.

The press totally ignored it, that's why it is in all the public and private news outlets I guess.

Merkel ignored the issue by saying they should be persecuted "with the full force of the law".
Whether the law here is actually up to the task is up for debate though. No reason to vote for parties that would finance gas chambers, but I do wonder why we only know the extremes. There is not much to be found in much of the public debate between "all immigrants are kittens" and "all immigrants are rapist criminals, children included". Therein lies the real tragedy.

[Papewaio]

Rape victims per annum 9/100,000 in Germany reported.

Cologne metro: 1,000,000.
So 90 rape victims per annum in Cologne or .25 rapes per day.

Cologne regions: 10,000,000
So 900 rape victims per annum or 2.5 in the region per day.

1 rape victim is too many. But it is not proven it was a refugee nor does it make a statistical difference against the local background rate.

[Greyblades]

We don't like to admit it, but we live in a rape culture.

No we dont.

You might, I cant speak for greece after all, but here we are so rabidly anti rape even an false claim will destory the life of a suspected perpritrator even after it is debunked.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Rape victims per annum 9/100,000 in Germany reported.

Cologne metro: 1,000,000.
So 90 rape victims per annum in Cologne or .25 rapes per day.

Cologne regions: 10,000,000
So 900 rape victims per annum or 2.5 in the region per day.

1 rape victim is too many. But it is not proven it was a refugee nor does it make a statistical difference against the local background rate.

OK, now calculate for sexual assaults - irrc 80 were reported in one night, one was a rape.

So that's the one rape for four days in the Metro area or 1/90th of the yearly total.

Now - aside from that, what percentage do the 79 sexual assaults represent?

Also, according to the local German police these sexual assault at new year are different to the normal robbings and pick-pockets.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The answer is more unchecked immigration.