IMMIGRATION thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

A couple of articles from the Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6800666.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6804946.html

The second one suggest that there have now been over two hundred complaints of sexual assault, and over 500 criminal complaints in all.

Reportedly 18 of the 31 men detained were asylum seekers.

If it's true there have been so few arrested then there must be something rotten at the heart of the local Police. Even disregarding the sexual assaults that number is woeful when compared with something like the London riots which saw roughly 2,000 people arrested within a similar time frame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_E...Race_relations

"By 15 August 2011 around 3,100 people had been arrested, of whom over 1,100 had appeared in court.[13] On 25 August the BBC reported that more than 2,000 people had been arrested in connection with the disorder in London."

"By August 2012, 1292 rioters had been handed custodial sentences totalling 1,800 years at 16.8 months on an average."

[Husar]

It's not so much a rotten police but rotten politics.
During normal days they are staffed with about ten people at the train station, that day they has 55.
That's the federal police, but the police in general is understaffed unless they prepare for big events by asking for support in advance.
Now unless they should use fortune tellers, they could not quite expect this to happen, could they?

I also heard that people could only be sent back for crimes that have a minimum sentence of three years in prison.
As of this year they seemingly changed it to one year minimum sentence, but that still allows for a lot of theft etc. without any effect on their asylum application...

[Fragony]

Regular police couldn't help it, but isn't a riott-squad supposed to called upon 24/7, who decides that in Germany?

edit, looks like exreme-right found a perfect excuse to attack innocent people. Could you please just don't do that ktxbye

[Husar]

Regular police couldn't help it, but isn't a riott-squad supposed to called upon 24/7, who decides that in Germany?

I don't think so, they have these ready-teams which operate within an entire state IIRC and they call them in advance, e.g. for football games or planned demonstrations, then they show up in force. I assume around NYE most of them were out celebrating themselves, police presence was increased but obviously not enough to deal with an unplanned event of this size. Police have been complaining for a while though that they're overworked just taking care of the regular sports events and so on though, many of them seem to have a lot of extra-hours that they can't take off because there'd be noone to replace them. It sounds a lot like politicians have cut the funding too much to allow the police to maintain sufficient personnel.

edit, looks like exreme-right found a perfect excuse to attack innocent people. Could you please just don't do that ktxbye

Yes, these pansies claim they want to protect Germans or Germany or whatever and then go beat up the most harmless innocent immigrants they can find, little girls from Africa or students or so, people who haven't really done anything wrong. They just create more victims instead of facing actually criminal immigrants (which would still be wrong since the police should deal with them but more understandable), but I guess those would put up too much of a fight for those knuckleheads...

[Fragony]

This? http://www.thelocal.se/20160111/poli...-teen-festival

[Montmorency]

Why do you think she was a communist?

[Husar]

Why do you think she was a communist?

She lived in East Germany. Every true, self-respecting capitalist either fled from there or got shot trying.
It's a shame to commit suicide but when you get shot trying to leave a commie country your family can be proud of you while the secret police torture them.

As for the British police, yes, they also beat people in wheelchairs and shoot innocent men in the back on the subway, have total surveillance and demonstrating where it is inconvenient for the government is illegal. Either way it is less a police issue than a political one where the police have been complaining for a while that they are understaffed, overworked and underfunded. Just like the army and the banks. As we can see, all countries have their issues.

[Pannonian]

She lived in East Germany. Every true, self-respecting capitalist either fled from there or got shot trying.
It's a shame to commit suicide but when you get shot trying to leave a commie country your family can be proud of you while the secret police torture them.

As for the British police, yes, they also beat people in wheelchairs and shoot innocent men in the back on the subway, have total surveillance and demonstrating where it is inconvenient for the government is illegal. Either way it is less a police issue than a political one where the police have been complaining for a while that they are understaffed, overworked and underfunded. Just like the army and the banks. As we can see, all countries have their issues.

The least we can do is stop the bleeding heart liberalism. I am a liberal, but not one who thinks that our culture is at fault for everything. I appreciate the ideals and history of English liberalism, and also that there are worse things out there than us. I welcome all who subscribe to these ideals, in practice as well as in argument. I oppose that which is a substantial threat to the reality of liberalism that reformers have worked for over the past few centuries. I follow Orwell's view that there is a streak in western leftism that seeks to blame everything on the Anglo-Americans, who are willing to spin the despicable actions of foreign governments in order to put the blame on the Anglo-Americans. Whatever our imperfections, there are far, far worse out there.

[Greyblades]

As for the British police, yes, they also beat people in wheelchairs and shoot innocent men in the back on the subway, have total surveillance and demonstrating where it is inconvenient for the government is illegal. Either way it is less a police issue than a political one where the police have been complaining for a while that they are understaffed, overworked and underfunded. Just like the army and the banks. As we can see, all countries have their issues.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

As for the British police, yes, they also beat people in wheelchairs and shoot innocent men in the back on the subway, have total surveillance and demonstrating where it is inconvenient for the government is illegal. Either way it is less a police issue than a political one where the police have been complaining for a while that they are understaffed, overworked and underfunded. Just like the army and the banks. As we can see, all countries have their issues.

Congratulations, you found two cases of the failure of British Police - now explain how the German Police allowed 1,000 men to sexually molest over two hundred women in a public square on New Year's Eve.

If there were Police off duty on the night, particularly riot officers, then this is a failure of Police culture - not politics. If riot officers are not on call it must be because the the Police culture doesn't think it necessary. This is a separate issue to lack of funds or lack of officers generally.

According to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35280386 the perpetrators were mostly North African and the majority of those arrested are either asylum seekers or illegals.

1. million in a year - you can't cope with that. Ask Stilicho.

[Fragony]

Why do you think she was a communist?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-317907

She was probably also a stasi-informer. She said they tried to recruit her but that she turned them down, riiiiiight, instant class enemy

do mind upper left corner 'not varified by CNN'

[Gilrandir]

Sweden now has the biggest gender imbalance in Europe. 123 males for every 100 females. 71% of these refugees are male(they've counted).

I heard that Australia experiences a similar disbalance (though not connected with refugees). Ask them how they handle it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's not so much a rotten police but rotten politics.
During normal days they are staffed with about ten people at the train station, that day they has 55.
That's the federal police, but the police in general is understaffed unless they prepare for big events by asking for support in advance.
Now unless they should use fortune tellers, they could not quite expect this to happen, could they?

I also heard that people could only be sent back for crimes that have a minimum sentence of three years in prison.
As of this year they seemingly changed it to one year minimum sentence, but that still allows for a lot of theft etc. without any effect on their asylum application...

What I read is that Merkel is now proposing to change the law, but it was still three years minimum tariff to get your application rejected, and only if you're not in danger if sent back.

In practice that means nobody will get an application rejected that wouldn't be rejected anyway.

Also, you have a pitiful number of Police, we would have been able to deploy double that and virtually no cops get New Year's Day off because they're needed to Police!