IMMIGRATION thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Nice to see the backroom still all about the "brown people creeeping up on us."

Immigrationroom imo.

The idea of "Brown People" is an American invention, it's not relevant to European prejudices.

You're too Americanised.

Anyway - we know now that 1,000 men, mostly recent arrivals seeking Asylum or illegals, assaulted several hundred German women. This is a big problem.

The answer is suggesting itself.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Putin is more Sallust than Augustus - he's also doomed.

Ms is a title for a female which doesn't reflect their married status. Thus, a marriage-neutral term, and it was used correctly in both circumstances. PFH was probably referring to the fact a 14-yr old cannot be married, and should be "Miss" anyway.

A girl should be "Miss" and not "Ms" - she's not an adult and should not be treated as such. Merkel should not have treated her as an adult.

[Montmorency]

Anyway - we know now that 1,000 men, mostly recent arrivals seeking Asylum or illegals, assaulted several hundred German women. This is a big problem.

Well, assuming the 30-odd detained suspects were representative of the mob, then we get mostly non-Syrians (primarily North Africans, Afghans, etc.), most of whom have been in Europe for at least a year. That's an important demographic distinction to acknowledge, if correctly-construed.

A girl should be "Miss" and not "Ms" - she's not an adult and should not be treated as such. Merkel should not have treated her as an adult.

No, it's iffy. Nowadays "Miss" is reserved for primary-school age girls or younger. It is not at all unusual to see an adolescent referred to as "Ms".

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, assuming the 30-odd detained suspects were representative of the mob, then we get mostly non-Syrians (primarily North Africans, Afghans, etc.), most of whom have been in Europe for at least a year. That's an important demographic distinction to acknowledge, if correctly-construed.

Apparently they have only detained 19 now. Nine are thought to be illegals, and irrc four or six of the remainder arrived since September last year.

Apparently this particular cultural behaviour has a name and was used in Egypt during the revolution. The fact that no Syrians were involved does not mean they do not pose a problem - just that they may not pose this problem.

To be clear - if you currently transplant a million Englishmen into Germany you'll have a problem too. We know this, in fact, because British Servicemen caused constant problems when they were garrisoned in Germany during the cold war, and the "Ex-Pats" cause constant problems for the Spanish.

No, it's iffy. Nowadays "Miss" is reserved for primary-school age girls or younger. It is not at all unusual to see an adolescent referred to as "Ms".

It's not iffy, an unmarried woman should be referred to a s "Miss", that's very clearly still the rule in the UK. Admittedly the practice of calling an unmarried man "Master" has mostly fallen out of favour but you still see it used. In the context of juveniles there's no reason to use "Ms" because you know they can't be married. Ms was invented for diverced women, so that people didn't have to tip-toe around asking if a woman in her forties was still married.

I would say use of "Ms" is pretty clear cut, in the UK at least, it denotes either a divorced woman or a woman who is married but has not changed her name. I have never seen an unmarried woman under the age of 30 use the title "Ms".

[Montmorency]

The fact that no Syrians were involved does not mean they do not pose a problem - just that they may not pose this problem.

The idea is to correctly diagnose the threads in the problem. Obviously it depends on what the particular argument is, but if it's that Syrian refugees pose an immediate criminal risk then it's not evidenced and at the very least we can hope there is time and room to work on averting it coming about.

I have never seen an unmarried woman under the age of 30 use the title "Ms".

It's almost universal here.

[Beskar]

I would say use of "Ms" is pretty clear cut, in the UK at least, it denotes either a divorced woman or a woman who is married but has not changed her name. I have never seen an unmarried woman under the age of 30 use the title "Ms".

My understanding is that, Ms was revived from an older form for mistresses due to feminist belief in representing that women should not be defined by their martial status. It is not to do with divorced or unchanged women, though they might choose to use this form of address. It is also a good title to use as you don't have to ask whether or not they are married to apply the 'correct term'. I also seen the title "Ms" in under 30 quite a lot, as many prefer it to "Miss".

Quick search shows this is supported by wikipedia definition too.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's entirely possible that it's my social class and/or geographic location. Certainly, in the South of England Miss is still prevalent, certainly for juveniles, whilst Ms is used if you don't know the correct form of address - which might indeed be Ms.

Usage is generally as outlined, young women use "Miss" until married, after which they use Mrs if they take their husband's name of Ms is they don't - divorced women may or may not use Ms depending on whether they keep their husband's name.

My Cousin has seperated from her husband, she's actually gone back to "Miss" I believe.

[Papewaio]

I think the model response is the one from Denmark in WWII. Where all where encouraged to wear the yellow Star of David.

However it might be difficult given the lack of wearing of religious symbols in the public service in France for a French politician to suggest doing this.

[Fragony]

Nothing can be done about it but I don't like this

edit, do like this lmao https://mobile.twitter.com/jellebc/status/687543213750616064/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[Fragony]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...edName=topNews

oh look fascists

how wonderfully quaint

Yikes, here as well. I really don't aprove of this but I know who to blame, there's your multiculture.

Symbol is a skull, where did we see that before

[Sarmatian]

Yikes, here as well. I really don't aprove of this but I know who to blame, there's your multiculture.

Symbol is a skull, where did we see that before

And we should also blame the rape victim for wearing the short skirt, right?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No, because one is a government policy and the other is a personal wardrobe choice.

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

This breads resentment, which breeds Fascists.

[Husar]

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

I feel like I've hardly ever seen anyone who wanted this type of multiculture and yet everybody here says we have it.
The lack of integration seems more like a long-standing political failure that was apparently never important enough for the public to make politicians do anything about it.
Even the most liberal people I know seem to think that immigrants should learn the language, not become criminals etc., they just embrace multiculturalism as a form of cultural exchange where you don't force all immigrants to dance the waltz but also learn the dances from their homeland instead or exchange painting techniques and other artsy stuff.

As for immigration policy, now that is obviously screwed up but that is not new, it's just that too few people cared about it until rape became more important than the new iPhone. You get what you (repeatedly) vote for.
By the way, saving everyone's internet data did apparently not prevent it or maybe it was because noone mentioned a bomb when they coordinated this. Some already say the answer is more surveillance.

There was also a talk on TV where they mentioned that most of them were north africans (especially from Morocco). Their asylum papers had them down as Syrians but by now it seems clear they were pseudo-syrians. The theory that France has more muslim problems because they have more Moroccans and we have more Turks and Kurds was thrown around as well as the one that ISIS is mostly joined by people from Saudi Arabia and Morocco and other North African countries, Egypt and another one notably excluded as hotspots. So it appears that for some reason some countries that we use as tourists and that are safe because they are police states (let me guess, supported by us?) export the most violent migrants. Not to forget that we already have a whole lot of criminals from that area who probably gladly offer the newcomers to "show them around"... Couple that with completely inadequate laws where they can easily exploit our judicial system and it seems obvious that we slept for too long and now have to run behind them to catch up. I guess now we need to become police states, too.

[Sarmatian]

No, because one is a government policy and the other is a personal wardrobe choice.

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

This breads resentment, which breeds Fascists.

If there weren't any black people, racism wouldn't exist.