IMMIGRATION thread

[Papewaio]

I think the model response is the one from Denmark in WWII. Where all where encouraged to wear the yellow Star of David.

However it might be difficult given the lack of wearing of religious symbols in the public service in France for a French politician to suggest doing this.

[Fragony]

Nothing can be done about it but I don't like this

edit, do like this lmao https://mobile.twitter.com/jellebc/status/687543213750616064/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[Fragony]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...edName=topNews

oh look fascists

how wonderfully quaint

Yikes, here as well. I really don't aprove of this but I know who to blame, there's your multiculture.

Symbol is a skull, where did we see that before

[Sarmatian]

Yikes, here as well. I really don't aprove of this but I know who to blame, there's your multiculture.

Symbol is a skull, where did we see that before

And we should also blame the rape victim for wearing the short skirt, right?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No, because one is a government policy and the other is a personal wardrobe choice.

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

This breads resentment, which breeds Fascists.

[Husar]

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

I feel like I've hardly ever seen anyone who wanted this type of multiculture and yet everybody here says we have it.
The lack of integration seems more like a long-standing political failure that was apparently never important enough for the public to make politicians do anything about it.
Even the most liberal people I know seem to think that immigrants should learn the language, not become criminals etc., they just embrace multiculturalism as a form of cultural exchange where you don't force all immigrants to dance the waltz but also learn the dances from their homeland instead or exchange painting techniques and other artsy stuff.

As for immigration policy, now that is obviously screwed up but that is not new, it's just that too few people cared about it until rape became more important than the new iPhone. You get what you (repeatedly) vote for.
By the way, saving everyone's internet data did apparently not prevent it or maybe it was because noone mentioned a bomb when they coordinated this. Some already say the answer is more surveillance.

There was also a talk on TV where they mentioned that most of them were north africans (especially from Morocco). Their asylum papers had them down as Syrians but by now it seems clear they were pseudo-syrians. The theory that France has more muslim problems because they have more Moroccans and we have more Turks and Kurds was thrown around as well as the one that ISIS is mostly joined by people from Saudi Arabia and Morocco and other North African countries, Egypt and another one notably excluded as hotspots. So it appears that for some reason some countries that we use as tourists and that are safe because they are police states (let me guess, supported by us?) export the most violent migrants. Not to forget that we already have a whole lot of criminals from that area who probably gladly offer the newcomers to "show them around"... Couple that with completely inadequate laws where they can easily exploit our judicial system and it seems obvious that we slept for too long and now have to run behind them to catch up. I guess now we need to become police states, too.

[Beskar]

I feel like I've hardly ever seen anyone who wanted this type of multiculture and yet everybody here says we have it.

It is a strawman as it is easier to defeat the concept if you say that is the intention of it. I agree that failures in implementing the policy correctly has seen that result.

[Montmorency]

Do people still not realize that "multiculturalism" is a political football used from the 1950's on to convince native Europeans that 'you don't need to worry about all those foreigners we're importing, we don't have to include them in our society, they'll just be here to work and make us rich and then they'll return whence they came'?

It's much more a union of nativism and free market lobbying than any sort of leftist cosmopolitan impulse.

[Viking]

The lack of integration seems more like a long-standing political failure that was apparently never important enough for the public to make politicians to do anything about it.

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As for immigration policy, now that is obviously screwed up but that is not new, it's just that too few people cared about it until rape became more important than the new iPhone.

I'm not so sure such a (non-authoritarian) policy exists.

I can't help but think of a dude jumping of a tall building, swearing that with the right policy, he'll be able to fly with the power of his own bare arms the next time..

You'd think it was important to find evidence for the existence of such policies before we accepted more massive immigration, but nah.

I guess now we need to become police states, too.

It wouldn't surprise me if this kind of thinking actually was at work in the back of the minds of many of those who are pro-mass immigration. There can never be too many immigrants, then - the state will handle everything. There's a legal measure for every problem, you know.

"If this goes really bad, we can just introduce more "pro-tolerance" (read: authoritarian) legal measures. I heard Yugoslavia was a peaceful, authoritarian multiethnic country. We'll be fine."

[Husar]

I'm not so sure such a (non-authoritarian) policy exists.

I can't help but think of a dude jumping of a tall building, swearing that with the right policy, he'll be able to fly with the power of his own bare arms the next time..

You'd think it was important to find evidence for the existence of such policies before we accepted more massive immigration, but nah.

Yes it was, but it was also important not to let half a million Syrians freeze to death in front of a barbed wire fence.
It is not their fault that we failed for decades to weed out the criminals among the immigrants or is it?

It wouldn't surprise me if this kind of thinking actually was at work in the back of the minds of many of those politicians who are pro-mass immigration. There can never be too many immigrants, then - the state will handle everything. There's a legal measure for every problem, you know.

Fixed it. Unless you want to convince me that the far left aka antifa is in favor of being spied upon all the time.

[Sarmatian]

No, because one is a government policy and the other is a personal wardrobe choice.

Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

This breads resentment, which breeds Fascists.

If there weren't any black people, racism wouldn't exist.

[Pannonian]

If there weren't any black people, racism wouldn't exist.

If there is any wrong in the world, it is the fault of the Anglo-Americans. Or so I keep getting told.

[Husar]

If there is any wrong in the world, it is the fault of the Anglo-Americans. Or so I keep getting told.

Not quite, the Americans used to be fine and noble people, it's just too bad that most of them were genocided and replaced by the Anglos.

[Sarmatian]

If there is any wrong in the world, it is the fault of the Anglo-Americans. Or so I keep getting told.

I'm really getting the feeling you're tilting at windmills with this one. What I said had nothing to do with that at all. Why is this such a recurring theme with you?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If there weren't any black people, racism wouldn't exist.

There would be no racism is we were all Latin-speaking Romans.

Construction of national identity around physical similarities is a relatively modern phenomenon - language and religion are the more historical markers of a particular "people".

[Tuuvi]

There would be no racism is we were all Latin-speaking Romans.

Construction of national identity around physical similarities is a relatively modern phenomenon - language and religion are the more historical markers of a particular "people".

Yea as far as I know, our modern concept of race was constructed during the colonial era as a justification for the trans-Atlantic slave trade.