IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

Then we could just place them in warm camps while we sign deals with different Muslim countries where the refugees could be granted permanent citizenship in return for money and/or services from us; or we just keep them there until the return conditions are met in their home countries.

That might be feasible if the conflict in their home countries could be reasonably said to be over soon. Keeping people in "temporary" camps for 5+ years may not be the best idea however.

In terms of integration, weeding out criminals is not going to help that much.

Though I think it should be pointed out that part of the problem is that some things that are both criminal and considered unacceptable here might not be criminal, or at least not socially unacceptable, in the places where some immigrants come from. Even without this, we'd often (most of the time?) try to weed out those who might break the law in the future (or rather: the ones who are at least this likely to break the law in the future). Good luck with this.

Well, with proper integration, fewer of them may turn into criminals in the first place. At the moment they're not allowed to do anything for several months after arrival, unemployment etc. can drive people crazy, especially if it made them go on a crazy journey in the first place in the hopes of getting a job. One idea I liked was that they will be instructed upon arrival that the German courses are mandatory, that they have to take care of their homes here, including cleaning the toilets etc. and are required to do certain community work in return for the shelter etc. they receive here. Failure to comply would lead to a swift deportation.

Deportation is difficult because deportation to a war zone is illegal, but then again if you actually did deport them to Syria, maybe fewer north africans would claim to be from there and then misbehave...

As for weeding out future misbehavers, you usually do most of that by integrating them properly as said above.

And yes, this is hard to do because we already create more poor of our own every year whom we slowly disintegrate from our own society, that doesn't make it easier to integrate new poor people as there are no jobs etc. to be taken.
Then again, if the world were a fair place, maybe they'd see no need to migrate here in the first place.

[Viking]

That might be feasible if the conflict in their home countries could be reasonably said to be over soon. Keeping people in "temporary" camps for 5+ years may not be the best idea however.

That's why we could also buy citizenship for the migrants in other countries and deport them there. That way, the camps could be depleted gradually.

If that doesn't work out, we can make the peace in their home country instead of waiting for it, and then deport. Repeat as necessary, until they realise they shouldn't be fighting each other.

Well, with proper integration, fewer of them may turn into criminals in the first place.

That "proper integration" may itself be impossible was my initial point.

At the moment they're not allowed to do anything for several months after arrival, unemployment etc. can drive people crazy, especially if it made them go on a crazy journey in the first place in the hopes of getting a job. One idea I liked was that they will be instructed upon arrival that the German courses are mandatory, that they have to take care of their homes here, including cleaning the toilets etc. and are required to do certain community work in return for the shelter etc. they receive here. Failure to comply would lead to a swift deportation.

Many or most jihadists and terrorists from the West were born with Western citizenship, they didn't have to wait for anything.

[Montmorency]

we can make the peace in their home country instead of waiting for it

UN occupation is a pleasing idea in theory. While we're at it, can we please exchange Eastern Ukraine for Neo-Prussia? We shouldn't tolerate that sore thumb on the Baltic anymore.