IMMIGRATION thread

[Papewaio]

In every single culture across the world, throughout history, it is the responsibility of the guest to show extra courtesy whilst in the home of the hosts. The exception is when the incomer is a conqueror. It's why English football fans have been reviled/possibly are still reviled abroad. Multiply this by quite a few times for the current situation. It's in no way the fault of the hosts, however much you may wish to paint it so.

Policing is part of the preventative measures. As are IDs, communication improvement, vetting and allocation of the correct resources is social services and medical resourcing.

One part is making sure the immigrants aren't part of the cause of the issues that they are fleeing.
Another is to help the new arrivals steer clear of groups that will take advantage of them from low level criminals to bosses exploiting labour.

If all the new associates are the current societies pariahs rather then upstanding law and order types like good police then who do you think the noobs are going to pattern themselves on?

Society cannot expect people to passively integrate in the most positive manner. They will naturally conform to a range unless prompted otherwise. Even with good measures their are undesirable outcomes in every society.

[Fragony]

Being a good guest would be a good start before musing about what we could do better as a host.

[Pannonian]

Policing is part of the preventative measures. As are IDs, communication improvement, vetting and allocation of the correct resources is social services and medical resourcing.

One part is making sure the immigrants aren't part of the cause of the issues that they are fleeing.
Another is to help the new arrivals steer clear of groups that will take advantage of them from low level criminals to bosses exploiting labour.

If all the new associates are the current societies pariahs rather then upstanding law and order types like good police then who do you think the noobs are going to pattern themselves on?

Society cannot expect people to passively integrate in the most positive manner. They will naturally conform to a range unless prompted otherwise. Even with good measures their are undesirable outcomes in every society.

It makes you wonder why so many second generation Muslims are religious fundies though, after their parents did all they could to give their children a normative western life. After our experience with homegrown Islamist loons, I have little confidence that the newcomers will produce better results. Especially as the newcomers seem to be worse behaved than the previous intake of first generation Muslims, who at least tried to do their best before their idiot kids turned against their country of birth.

If we are to receive them, they should be loyal to the UK above any other identity. If this seems unfairly exceptional when other cultures aren't told to do the same, that's because other cultures accept it a a matter of course, and adapt themselves to fit into the host society.

[Myth]

It's because the muslims want to be horse archers, yet you force them into being longbowmen.

[Sarmatian]

And why are we expected to facilitate this?

Because helping out fellow humans is a sign of a civilized society.

Nothing can force you, though. It is a choice, except a certain number of workers that have to be imported because of an aging population in most western countries.

In every single culture across the world, throughout history, it is the responsibility of the guest to show extra courtesy whilst in the home of the hosts.

Yes, but two points.

1) They are not guests. Guests are expected to show extra courtesy, but they aren't expected to do anything and they are taken care of by their host. These refugees will have the same rights and obligations towards the state and society as you have, after the initial period for settling in. New tenants in the building would be a better comparison.

2) Why are you considering them bad guests? Even if we accept that social network hysteria is accurate, in facts and scale (which is highly unlikely), it is still a minute number compared to the number of refugees overall. There will be rotten apples in every basket.

[Fragony]

Too many apples, not enough pie. Almost all local rulers try to talk some sense into the childless mutti.

the only answer; wir schaffen das

'But we don't! We lack the capacity!'

wir. schaffen. das. stfu