IMMIGRATION thread

[Sarmatian]

...seriously? After all we've seen happen in Paris and Cologne you still believe that?

Terrorism is a threat and it will remain a threat regardless of refugees.

Terrorists are recruited from poor and uneducated people. You will never see an oil baron blow himself up. Now imagine how many more terrorists can be recruited if you return a million people to Syria, where they will struggle to acquire even basic necessities, will have no chance at getting an education and basically will have no future. How hard would it be to brainwash those people and make terrorists out of them? Not very much.

[Greyblades]

Except you wont be getting anywhere near the amount of terrorists from non muslim/middle east immigrants. Nor would they be narly as succeptable to brainwashing.

[Pannonian]

Except you wont be getting anywhere near the amount of terrorists from non muslim/middle east immigrants. Nor would they be narly as succeptable to brainwashing.

Most of the non-Muslim terrorists that we have share at least some degree of common values with normal society. Nowhere near the same sort of relish in targeting the weak, for instance. After Omagh, the worst of the Troubles-related atrocities, RIRA turned away from further civilian targeting. In contrast, Islamists have progressively turned up the level of outrage they commit, gloating and gaining support with each atrocity they commit. In terms of mentality, they bear comparison with the worst of the 20th century monsters, who are similarly alien to our society. Unlike them, Islamists are looking to commit their atrocities in our countries. And unlike then, liberal values are too firmly ingrained in our society to allow such measures as general internment. Heck, even profiling is likely to raise protests about a police state.

[Fragony]

Usually not that poor and uneducated, you are underestimating them if you think so

@Sarmatarian

[Sarmatian]

Except you wont be getting any terrorists from non muslim/middle east immigrants. Nor would they be succeptable to brainwashing.

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Usually not that poor and uneducated, you are underestimating them if you think so

@Sarmatarian

Not those who plan and finance, those who execute. Almost all of them have little prospects in life.

[Fragony]

Not those who plan and finance, those who execute. Almost all of them have little prospects in life.

They usually do, almost all terrorists who did a lot of harm were students and lead a western life. There is no basis for the assumption that they were just dissapointed.

I also think we should see incidents like in Germany seperatily.

[Greyblades]

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Lets go step by step.

Gilrandir said: "their country is becomoing more unsafe with the advent of immigrants"
You said: "Not anymore that it would with a million of other people."
Finally I said: a million other people would indeed be safer for a nation to recieve than muslims/middle easterners as they would not bring with them terrorists and sympathisers.

[Sarmatian]

Lets go step by step.

Gilrandir said: "their country is becomoing more unsafe with the advent of immigrants"
You said: "Not anymore that it would with a million of other people."
Finally I said: a million other people would indeed be safer for a nation to recieve than muslims/middle easterners as they would not bring with them terrorists and sympathisers.

Yes, I did understand it after re-reading it, but thanks.

Most probably true, but sending them back isn't necessarily the better option for safety. They may be recruited by terrorists, join ISIS/some other militant group, prolong the conflict. It would reinforce the animosity toward the west, provide that injustice/indignation/easily definable target that are also very important aspects of terrorism.

[Pannonian]

Yes, I did understand it after re-reading it, but thanks.

Most probably true, but sending them back isn't necessarily the better option for safety. They may be recruited by terrorists, join ISIS/some other militant group, prolong the conflict. It would reinforce the animosity toward the west, provide that injustice/indignation/easily definable target that are also very important aspects of terrorism.

Why would we be an easily definable target when they don't get the chance to experience special attention from us? The most focused current threat, apart from the social problems which are another discussion altogether, are homegrowns who have been radicalised in Syria, who are smuggled back into the EU, undetected within a mass of unprocessed refugees. That's the known modus operandi. Why are you arguing that letting yet more unprocessed refugees into the EU would help solve the problem of Islamist terrorism? If any of the traitorous scumbags who made their way to Syria want to slip back into the UK, I want them easily identifiable before they do anything, not hidden within thousands of "Syrians".

[Sarmatian]

Why would we be an easily definable target when they don't get the chance to experience special attention from us?

"You see now what's happening. They bomb us, they start wars. They tell us it is because of our leaders, not us. They love us. Now you've seen what they think of us. They've treated you like an animal, and sent you back. They don't want you there, they hate you. They hate all of us, they want to kill us. They are the devil. Do you want to strike back at them? Do you want to hurt them?"

Sending males in their prime back to a war zone where there is precious little to do is a bad idea. ISIS and its like provide just about the only opportunity of employment. Food, shelter, even a small salary and your family gets protection.

The most focused current threat, apart from the social problems which are another discussion altogether, are homegrowns who have been radicalised in Syria, who are smuggled back into the EU, undetected within a mass of unprocessed refugees. If any of the traitorous scumbags who made their way to Syria want to slip back into the UK, I want them easily identifiable before they do anything, not hidden within thousands of "Syrians".

Homegrowns already have an EU passport and little need to mix with the refugees.

That's the known modus operandi. Why are you arguing that letting yet more unprocessed refugees into the EU would help solve the problem of Islamist terrorism?

I didn't say it would solve it, I said it wouldn't make it worse, and it could even help in the long run.