IMMIGRATION thread

[Sarmatian]

Except you wont be getting any terrorists from non muslim/middle east immigrants. Nor would they be succeptable to brainwashing.

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Usually not that poor and uneducated, you are underestimating them if you think so

@Sarmatarian

Not those who plan and finance, those who execute. Almost all of them have little prospects in life.

[Fragony]

Not those who plan and finance, those who execute. Almost all of them have little prospects in life.

They usually do, almost all terrorists who did a lot of harm were students and lead a western life. There is no basis for the assumption that they were just dissapointed.

I also think we should see incidents like in Germany seperatily.

[Greyblades]

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Lets go step by step.

Gilrandir said: "their country is becomoing more unsafe with the advent of immigrants"
You said: "Not anymore that it would with a million of other people."
Finally I said: a million other people would indeed be safer for a nation to recieve than muslims/middle easterners as they would not bring with them terrorists and sympathisers.

[Sarmatian]

Lets go step by step.

Gilrandir said: "their country is becomoing more unsafe with the advent of immigrants"
You said: "Not anymore that it would with a million of other people."
Finally I said: a million other people would indeed be safer for a nation to recieve than muslims/middle easterners as they would not bring with them terrorists and sympathisers.

Yes, I did understand it after re-reading it, but thanks.

Most probably true, but sending them back isn't necessarily the better option for safety. They may be recruited by terrorists, join ISIS/some other militant group, prolong the conflict. It would reinforce the animosity toward the west, provide that injustice/indignation/easily definable target that are also very important aspects of terrorism.

[Pannonian]

Yes, I did understand it after re-reading it, but thanks.

Most probably true, but sending them back isn't necessarily the better option for safety. They may be recruited by terrorists, join ISIS/some other militant group, prolong the conflict. It would reinforce the animosity toward the west, provide that injustice/indignation/easily definable target that are also very important aspects of terrorism.

Why would we be an easily definable target when they don't get the chance to experience special attention from us? The most focused current threat, apart from the social problems which are another discussion altogether, are homegrowns who have been radicalised in Syria, who are smuggled back into the EU, undetected within a mass of unprocessed refugees. That's the known modus operandi. Why are you arguing that letting yet more unprocessed refugees into the EU would help solve the problem of Islamist terrorism? If any of the traitorous scumbags who made their way to Syria want to slip back into the UK, I want them easily identifiable before they do anything, not hidden within thousands of "Syrians".

[Sarmatian]

Why would we be an easily definable target when they don't get the chance to experience special attention from us?

"You see now what's happening. They bomb us, they start wars. They tell us it is because of our leaders, not us. They love us. Now you've seen what they think of us. They've treated you like an animal, and sent you back. They don't want you there, they hate you. They hate all of us, they want to kill us. They are the devil. Do you want to strike back at them? Do you want to hurt them?"

Sending males in their prime back to a war zone where there is precious little to do is a bad idea. ISIS and its like provide just about the only opportunity of employment. Food, shelter, even a small salary and your family gets protection.

The most focused current threat, apart from the social problems which are another discussion altogether, are homegrowns who have been radicalised in Syria, who are smuggled back into the EU, undetected within a mass of unprocessed refugees. If any of the traitorous scumbags who made their way to Syria want to slip back into the UK, I want them easily identifiable before they do anything, not hidden within thousands of "Syrians".

Homegrowns already have an EU passport and little need to mix with the refugees.

That's the known modus operandi. Why are you arguing that letting yet more unprocessed refugees into the EU would help solve the problem of Islamist terrorism?

I didn't say it would solve it, I said it wouldn't make it worse, and it could even help in the long run.

[Pannonian]

"You see now what's happening. They bomb us, they start wars. They tell us it is because of our leaders, not us. They love us. Now you've seen what they think of us. They've treated you like an animal, and sent you back. They don't want you there, they hate you. They hate all of us, they want to kill us. They are the devil. Do you want to strike back at them? Do you want to hurt them?"

Sending males in their prime back to a war zone where there is precious little to do is a bad idea. ISIS and its like provide just about the only opportunity of employment. Food, shelter, even a small salary and your family gets protection.

Homegrowns already have an EU passport and little need to mix with the refugees.

I didn't say it would solve it, I said it wouldn't make it worse, and it could even help in the long run.

And yet that was the modus operandi of the Paris attackers, who were French-born. Presumably they thought the police would be onto them instantly should they return openly.

[Sarmatian]

And yet that was the modus operandi of the Paris attackers, who were French-born. Presumably they thought the police would be onto them instantly should they return openly.

For some, yes. Although it appears the two ringleaders were never in Syria.

But, it contradicts what you said earlier.

homegrowns who have been radicalised in Syria,

If they were on the police radar, it means they were radicalized before they went to Syria, not in Syria.

Even if we assume that their time in Syria was instrumental in the planning and pulling off the Paris attacks, is it really safer to send back to Syria a few hundred thousand males?

[Fragony]

Things don't have be complicated, they can go but can't come back. Soon the high-court of Germany is going to decide that Merkel's immigration-policy is against the German consitution, the lawsuit is already in the works, and Merkel will be nuttering 'wir schaffen das wir schaffen das' with a wet cloth on her forehead. Damage is done sadly.