IMMIGRATION thread

[Snowhobbit]

...which is all just conjecture. Let's just ignore that the terrorists in Paris, for example, were EU citizens - ie there is no evidence AT ALL that terrorists are sneaking in among the refugees.

I do wonder what purpose EUROPOL thought there was in issuing a statement regarding how many numbers of terrorists MIGHT be entering Europe...without any evidence at all....doesn't sound like particularly competent police work. In fact it sounds a lot like simple 'racial profiling'...

While it is true that they were mostly (or all?) citizens of European countries, they also gained access and entry to Europe by hiding amongst the stream of refugees. Or should we ignore the passport that was registered as entering Greece as a refugee last summer being connected to the perps?

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

While it is true that they were mostly (or all?) citizens of European countries, they also gained access and entry to Europe by hiding amongst the stream of refugees. Or should we ignore the passport that was registered as entering Greece as a refugee last summer being connected to the perps?

You mean that passport that had nothing to do with the terrorists? That one? The thing is, French intelligence have stated they were watching this cell and knew they had returned to Europe from Syria (so...not by sneaking in with refugees...otherwise EUROPOL would have evidence, wouldn't they.)...and then 'lost' them.

You know...it's so easy to get people to believe something...just write it as a headline story. Doesn't matter if the story is later shown to have no truth to it....it'll always be the thing that people remember. Just like the idea that refugees are responsible for the New Year attacks on women...you might want to update yourselves on that information as well....

[wooly_mammoth]

Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants.

[Fragony]

Grab not their breasts and church your evil faith, but thank the builder for the trials that shape thee..

disclaimer, only a few will get this

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants.

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

[Fragony]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

Wny need evidence. One must assume that someone acts reationaly. Methods might seem irrational, at first, but the purpose isn't. Our enemies are not dumb.

[Sarmatian]

Wny need evidence.

Exactly!

[Fragony]

It are the migrants themselves who claim that there are jihadi's comming along. Anyone sane would think, yes of course

[Snowhobbit]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

While it is nice of you to try to twist the argument, do note that he used the word "immigrant" and not refugee. Now of course I am sure you will explain how all of those North African men are native Germans :).

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

While it is nice of you to try to twist the argument, do note that he used the word "immigrant" and not refugee. Now of course I am sure you will explain how all of those North African men are native Germans :).

But it is you who twisted the argument then, isn't it? You didn't correct the misapprehension by making clear that there is a distinction between immigrants and regugees, you simply transplanted the word immigrant for refugee. Given the context of the discussion that is, frankly, disingenuous.

[Snowhobbit]

But it is you who twisted the argument then, isn't it? You didn't correct the misapprehension by making clear that there is a distinction between immigrants and regugees, you simply transplanted the word immigrant for refugee. Given the context of the discussion that is, frankly, disingenuous.

No, you are the person who transplanted one word meaning one thing with another. I agree that is a very disingenuous way of arguing, but hey that is how you argue so I'm not sure why you are telling me. Do you not read what people post when you respond to them?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...di-backgrounds

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...e-failure.html

Al EU residents, all known. Tell me, given that they have legitimate EU passports....why would any of them be trying to use a false passport? And why would they take it with them on a terror attack, and leave it in a, presumably, loose pocket so that it could fall out?

Yes, what reason could they have for wanting to enter the country without the intelligence services knowing that they have? Maybe they planned to attack certain public places and didn't want to get stopped?

Obviously there was an intelligence failure that lead to the successful attack, same as how the shoot-out a few days later was in contrast successful. Do note btw that your articles do not claim what you say about the French intelligence forces knowing that he had come back to France. Of course they knew that these people were radicals, there are thousands of them on the list of radicals. But because I put a name on a list does not mean I know the whereabouts of that person. If they had returned using their own passports, then it would have been known and they would have been monitored.

[wooly_mammoth]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

Well, there was that footage with a german woman, her eyes welling with tears as she was passed around and fondled all over by a large group of what I will politely call subhumans of non-european descent, but that too must be a part of the occult ruse aimed at concealing the real enemy of man, right?

[Fragony]

Don't bother she is lost by now, nobody wants to know what happened to her. You do, I do, but we are kinda alone. Just like her.

[Sarmatian]

Don't bother she is lost by now, nobody wants to know what happened to her. You do, I do, but we are kinda alone. Just like her.

Frags, do you really don't understand the difference between a criminal and a rather large group of people the criminal belongs too, or are you playing dumb?

Two days ago an Uber driver shot 6 people in Kalamazoo. Which group do we hold responsible? Uber drivers, Americans, Christians or white males?

[Snowhobbit]

You mean that passport that had nothing to do with the terrorists? That one? The thing is, French intelligence have stated they were watching this cell and knew they had returned to Europe from Syria (so...not by sneaking in with refugees...otherwise EUROPOL would have evidence, wouldn't they.)...and then 'lost' them.

You know...it's so easy to get people to believe something...just write it as a headline story. Doesn't matter if the story is later shown to have no truth to it....it'll always be the thing that people remember. Just like the idea that refugees are responsible for the New Year attacks on women...you might want to update yourselves on that information as well....

Yes, that passport found in connection to the group which entered Greece last summer, that passport. It is funny that you think the French intelligence was watching the cell, when the head of the cell was presumed to be in Syria until he was found in Paris in the shoot-out a couple of days after the first attack. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument, it is for a good cause after all.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Yes, that passport found in connection to the group which entered Greece last summer, that passport. It is funny that you think the French intelligence was watching the cell, when the head of the cell was presumed to be in Syria until he was found in Paris in the shoot-out a couple of days after the first attack. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument, it is for a good cause after all.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...di-backgrounds

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...e-failure.html

Al EU residents, all known. Tell me, given that they have legitimate EU passports....why would any of them be trying to use a false passport? And why would they take it with them on a terror attack, and leave it in a, presumably, loose pocket so that it could fall out?